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Forum: Armchair-GM31 juill. 2023 à 13 h 51
Sujet: Question
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>Joseph's game is such that the Sens should not be giving up assets. People in CF see an issue and think their team will get a good player, a strong additional asset for nothing. No. Joseph comes with term.... and that is worth something. The contract isn't Josh Amderson bad by any stretch.

I see something similar to the Paul for Joseph deal frankly. A slight downgrade, but not so much so as to do determental harm.

I was looking at Winnipeg and David Gustafsson. Young, contract control, bottom 6 forward..... that kind of idea. The issue with the Jets is where on earth does Joesph play lol. Their forward core is very very balanced, so I doubt Chevy would bit. But the construct is the important thought there.</div></div>

Completely agree
Forum: Armchair-GM31 juill. 2023 à 13 h 16
Sujet: Question
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>I for one thought JBD had a line on a starting spot this season.... then Dorion signs Hamonic.... so essentially he is the #7.

Loosing him to waivers would be bad asset management imo. He won't fetch a lot on the open market, but something is better than nothing.

Beyond that, I do believe trying to move some money is the right move here. The Sens do have defensive depth organizationally, but I question how ready it is right now. Kleven looks great, but a full year in Belleville is probably the right course of action. Lassi is what he is, and could be a waiver causality as well.

The Sens have options. But, Dorion actually did address the blueline at the TDL last season. To risk making that depth shallow would undo the work.

Moving on from Joseph makes sense at this stage..... and I maintain that a Joseph deal will look more like a hockey deal than a cap dump. The guy can play some solid 3rd line minutes, albeit slightly overpaid. But as I continue to point out, next season that cap hit will pretty much fall in line; meaning the "big" sweetener may not have to be so big - especially if the deal is made with a team looking for contract certainty.</div></div>

Fair points. I do like JBD and I do think he could become a good bottom pair defenseman. It also depends on a potential return for Joseph. However, personally, I'd rather lose JBD than Joseph. And of course giving up assets to get rid of Joseph would be idiotic at this point. Anyways, remains to be seen.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheWolfe</b></div><div>Because Dorion has no leverage. Like I said, go look at the PLD deal as a comp.</div></div>

But Kubalik and a 2nd is nowhere near close to what the Jets got. Even if we assume Dorion has little leverage, Debrincat is still worth 1st/2nd, good prospect and a roster player.

To me:

Vilardi&gt;Berggren
Iafallo&gt;Kubalik
Hanas = Kupari (wash imo)
2nd round pick

So it's true that Debrincat's value is lower than PLD's and I think your original offer is actual fair given this market. But I can't see a world where Dorion trades Debrincat for a 2nd and 1 year of Kubalik. He'd certainly get more for him at the deadline. Sens and Wings fans will disagree throughout this whole debacle until the cat gets traded. You seem to be a realist though.