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Forum: Armchair-GM7 févr. 2019 à 19 h 32
Sujet: Vancouver - Nashville Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Larkinisking</b></div><div>Yeah you're not getting Fabbro for Goldobin+Gaudette. Get real any team can offer the Preds better pieces then those.</div></div>

I think that this proposal could be argued that it is an over-payment for Fabbro. If he doesn't sign after this BU season he goes back for his senior year and walks for nothing in August of 2020! How good does that look on Poile? Over the course of 3 years he will have lost both Vesey and Fabbro for nothing while telling everyone the entire way along that he believes that he can sign them!

True any team can come in and offer Nashville the world, but unless he agrees to sign there then they are risking the world for an unknown! That is why this trade deadline, in my opinion Fabbro will be in play unless he has already told Nashville that he intends to sign for them. But, for the reasons mentioned above, his value is incredibly low right now and i think that the trade proposal posed here is not only fair but it actually leans in Nashville's favor. You are correct, if this was a normal situation Dante Fabbro would be worth a lot more, but this is not normal.

Now regarding the Vancouver population's speculation on Fabbro:
The Canucks are a logical trading partner here. They have an immediate need and roster spot available. He fits into the age dynamic the team is trying to build around, and the Canuck's would agree to burn a year of his entry level contract to get him into the line-up immediately. But more importantly (and where a lot of the speculation/intrigue/optimism is coming from) Fabbro is from VANCOUVER. Fabbro was a Canucks fan growing up! His family still lives in the city! Now - I do not know Dante or his family, but would it not be a logical assumption to believe he would at least be interested in signing in Vancouver, and if we don't make a trade now and he does go to free agency that the Canucks would be in a good position to sign him while giving up no assets on Aug 15, 2020?

For those reasons, I think the proposal is a generous one, and definitely not one that Nashville could laugh at. Personally, I would be more inclined to offer good but conditional draft picks for him.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 janv. 2019 à 8 h 47
Sujet: Interested to hear thoughts on value of Dante Fabbro
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ajp_18</b></div><div>Last I checked Fabbaro isn’t a senior this year..... if you go the the Nashville reserve list off of the real Nashville cap page it says that Fabbaro isn’t eligible to sign with another team till August 15th 2020. That being said it’s a pretty fair trade.</div></div>

<a href="/users/Ajp_18" target="_blank">@Ajp_18</a> yes you are correct technically - but the assumption we all work off of is that if the player does not turn pro after his junior year, then why would he after his senior year to play in 6-10 games when if he waited for 6 months until the start of the next season he would be a UFA and could choose any of the 32 teams instead of the one that drafted him.

It’s for that reason that we see this trade deadline as a significant point for Fabbro.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 déc. 2018 à 15 h 57
Sujet: Vancouver bit better
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>codyyymd16</b></div><div>Vancouver isnt getting rid of their 1st round pick. if they are its going to have more value than Connor
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Looking at Winnipeg's cap issues moving forward, I wonder if there is a possibility of using that 2019 First Rounder (Especially if it is #2-#5 overall) to get Laine. Perhaps a package that includes that pick and Stetcher or Tanev. This would obviously be done at the draft as from what i understand you dont give up on the possibility of Hughes and WPG doesnt make this trade until after the play-offs.

From WPG's perspective:
* They are going to have problems signing Laine, Conners and Myers, or a suitable replacement RHD.
* This proposal gives them a genuine game breaker talent pick which could step into their line-up in 2019/2020 on an ELC.
* A cost effective RHD replacement for Myers who is already under contract and who would be a great 3D on that back-end.
* The ability to keep Connors.

From Vancouver's perspective:
* Aquaman gets to make a SPLASH at the draft held in Vancouver, and they get better quicker than if they have to wait for a player to develop. Again, this is a win for Aquaman.
* Laine is the age bracket that Vancouver wants, and they have the cap-space to make it work.

These are the sorts of trades that we see in the NFL/NBA all the time, and I wonder now with the Salary Cap being around for a while in the NHL if we will start to see more of them here too!
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juill. 2018 à 17 h 20
Sujet: Another Tanev to TO trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>alwaysnextyear</b></div><div>I've maintained that Tanev for a late 2019 1st is probably fair. If the Canucks retained 50% for two years on Tanev's contract then the Leafs would need to add another pick or a prospect.</div></div>

Which is exactly what the Leafs will have... I dont think they win the SC next year but I see them out of the first round and probably a conference finalist or a tough second round loss. I honestly still think the defense needs more work even with Tanev. Perhaps look at a Trouba for Nylander type deal... After all Winnipeg lost to Vegas because they didnt score so a bit more firepower is definitely what they need as well as someone who could possibly play center with them losing Stasney.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juill. 2018 à 16 h 26
Sujet: Is this a fair trade for Canuck fans?
This is exactly why i love this site! I wish there could be more dialogues like this!

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>Horton goes on LTIR and is not an issue at all. As far as starting with Nylander or Liljegren is a complete non starter. Liljegren has a ceiling as high as Quin Hughs, and I'm sure you'll agree that Tanev isn't as valuable as a extremely high potential offensive defenceman. Nylander's value is extremely higher than Tanev. </div></div>

I dont know enough about LTIR to comment intelligently on this, however it does seem to me that there are a ton of GM's trying to shed themselves of these types of deals? So why is TO's situation different than the other teams, or are you saying its not an issue this year but will be next?(Ie. Bowman in Chicago on Hossa and Holland in Detroit on Datsyuk to name a few)?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>I understand the want from Vancouvers end but here's the thing that fans need to understand. A players value is different dependent on the team they currently have. A lot of people think Nylander has lower value because he's redundant in Toronto with the incredible offensive fire power they have. But that's the wrong way to look at it. Nylander is extremely valued by TO, he's going to be riding shotgun with Matthews for the better part of a decade at least (barring injury or a no brainer trade offer), moving him only makes sense if the overall strength of the team is improved. Is Toronto better with Nylander and the defence they have? Or are they better if they move Nylander for a defenceman. There are not many defenceman available that would make Toronto a better team overall if you subtract Nylander. And even in those cases the trade would likely require more assets and quickly it becomes prohibitive. Hence why TO won't trade Nylander, his value is too high and he'll never bring back equal value. Mainly because Rival GM's will try to use the depth Toronto has as a way of lowering the return.

Same goes for Liljegren, his value to the Leafs is much higher than people think it should be. </div></div>
Well stated. I said the same thing in different words when talking about Tanev's value to helping Juolevi and/or Hughes transition into NHL.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div> Back to the proposed trade, I'd be happy with giving up a 1st rounder for Tanev, I'd just hope there could be a way to reduce the cap for next season at the sametime. Perhaps a 1st and maybe Rosen (was a beast for the Marlies in the second half of the season, his first in North America, and the playoffs), or some other prospect. Maybe someone Connor Brown and a 2nd instead?</div></div>

And this is how I would assume that trades are conducted in the NHL. If I were Jim Benning I would happily accept Connor Brown and a second round pick!

Now, I will propose this trade on a Canucks armchair GM and will be crucified for it, hence why being a GM in either of our cities is an absolutely impossible job!
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juill. 2018 à 13 h 11
Sujet: Is this a fair trade for Canuck fans?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>I completely agree with you that Tanev is a great player. I think he'd benefit massively in TO, they spend more money on player health than many teams spend in their entire hockey operations department and that would do wonders for Tanev's health. And yes he wouldn't be blocking nearly as many shots, mainly cause the Leafs will always have the puck. I also agree that he would make Reilly a huge star.

With all that said, he still offers very little in offence and he's also 28, generally players start declining when they leave their 20's, especially players who play a very physical brand of hockey. I feel that Tanev has 2-4 really good years left. Then he'll start showing the wear and tear of his age. So the unfortunately for the Canucks, the haul for Tanev isn't going to be nearly as good as you want it to be. This trade may not work, and I was more curious to see how Canuck fans perceive Zaitsev. (Personally I think he's underrated due to a season that was filled with an injury and a bad illness, the dude lost something like 25 pounds when he was sick, that would have a major impact on anyone)</div></div>

If you agree that he makes Reilly a star, then what will his up-tick in points be? If Reilly can jump into the play more and get an additional 5-8 goals and 10-15 assists on top of the 52 he got last year is that not worthwhile? Perhaps Tanev does not score a ton as a Leaf but I would confidently say he would be a 25-30 point guy on a full season with that group of forwards.

28 years old is a fact. But did you not just sign someone else who is 28, and doesn't his signing mean that you are in 'win now' mode? There is no question that Tanev has hit his plateau of what he is as a player and will be that guy for another 4-5 years before he declines and becomes a #3 Dman until he retires at 34.

My argument on value stays the same. If you want someone who is going to help you win today, you're going to have to offer something that will help us win in 3-4 years. Zaitsev is not that guy... another undersized RW is not that guy... and a pick in the 50's will not be that guy. THAT is why Canuck fans always start these conversations with 1st rounders or Lillegren. You say no... we say no... and go in this circle. So, my suggestion is to start adding value in elsewhere. Why can we not talk about Lillegren and Horton for Tanev? Or maybe i put it to you this way... Tanev and Nylander for Lillegren and Horton? Horton has to go to solve your cap problems... Canucks help solve two of your problems... you give us a piece that will help us in 3-4 years when we are ready to compete again...
Forum: Armchair-GM5 juill. 2018 à 12 h 31
Sujet: Is this a fair trade for Canuck fans?
I think you guys do not really know how good Tanev is.

Yes is injured a lot. One of the reasons is that he consistently is among the league leaders in blocked shots (1.59 sb/gm, where Trevor Daly lead the league with 1.62)! He is consistently is among the league leaders in blocked shots because he is on a terrible team that never has the puck. If he becomes a Leaf (which I believe he will), he immediately becomes your #1 RHD, and makes Morgan Reilly an absolute stud.

If that is what the offer is, I am glad that Jim Benning hasnt made the deal because Tanev will be more valuable playing beside Olli Juolevi or Quinn Hughes and helping them transition to the NHL than an average defenseman that will not help us when we are good, a Right Winger where the Canucks already have a ton of depth, and a draft pick that will come in somewhere around 50th overall.

Just my two cents worth... Chris Tanev is a heck of a good player... punish yourself by watching a few Canucks games from last year and you will see... You should be used to watching bad hockey after the last 50 years you went through. :p ;)