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Forum: Armchair-GMsam. à 20 h 58
Sujet: Bigger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bast</b></div><div>How did you come up with "Vladar was worth a 2nd"? I guess the same logic can apply to Huberdeau since he brought back Tkachuk. Yet somehow I wish we could trade him for FC now. If there was an offer of a 3rd for Vladar this summer Conroy would've traded him.

Vladar had some of the worst analytics out of the entire NHL over the last 2 years. IMO, he's worth a league min contract, since he was playing at a replacement level, despite showing occasional Flashes of brilliance.</div></div>

That's a horrible take. Calgary wasn't moving Vlader for a 3rd last summer if they'd been willing to accept that he'd be long gone already.

When Vladar got to start more than the odd game every once in a while he was just fine. He's quicker than Marky with better reflexes and glove too. He'll be fine after getting surgery and with more practice as a starter / tandem goalie instead of getting thrown in on short notice most of the time.

You need to stop believing trash talk from the homers around here. When the worst trash talking homers like a trade involving their team it's because they're robbing the other team blind. The simple fact is most trade proposals that are good value for both teams and meet both teams' needs/wants are hated by the majority of both teams' fans.

For all the others who will undoubtedly feel the need to comment on this. I don't bull**** and I don't fall for your bull**** either. I tell it like I see it. If someone doesn't like it that's his problem. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but I don't respond to people who repeatedly resort to ad hominin attacks or post walls of text full of lies and logical fallacies trying to rationalize why bad trades are actually good trades for anyone but their own favorite team(s).
Forum: Armchair-GMsam. à 14 h 51
Sujet: Bigger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bast</b></div><div>Personally, I really don't like quantity over quality trades like this one. I would prefer the Flames to get one quality piece back for Sharangovich instead.

I can see your logic and I break it down as follows:
IMO, Dvorak is $2M overpaid, Vladar $1M. Taking on $1M x 1 is worth between a 3rd and a 4th.

I don't see Harris adding much value, simply because the Flames have a lot of bodies for the 3rd pairing.

It comes down to Sharangovich + 4th for 1st + Beck + 3rd. I haven't watched Beck play, so I have a hard time gauging his value, but it seems like he's worth more than a 2nd, so the value is about right.

So yeah, I'd like more, but I won't be too upset if this was the return.</div></div>

Dvorak is overpaid by about half or 2.25 mil which isn't much more than 2 mil. Vladar on the other hand isn't overpaid, he's a good goalie as will be proven when he comes back after surgery next year. Selling low on Vladar while he's out would be poor asset management. Vladar was worth a 2nd before the injury which according to Markstrom Vladar has been playing with for more than a year.

Exactly Calgary has no need for Harris. If Calgary trades for a defenseman it'll be for a top 4 or a big mean hard hitting guy similar to Zadorov or Gudbranson both of whom have been missed for the physical presence they bring.

Owen Beck is worth a mid 2nd and that's it. With 50% rentention that makes it Sharky + Vladar for a late 1st + late 3rd a B/B+ prospect + 2 players who add no value for Calgary. In fact one of them is a 2.25 mil cap dump (negative value) and as Flames fans know very well Murray Edwards would frown on that.

Sharky is a bit of a wildcard. The smart thing for Conroy to do is wait until well into next season to see how he performs before deciding if the team should extend Sharky again and for how much. Unless of course he gets an offer so good it just can't be refused.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 22 h 24
Sujet: Bigger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Joblow</b></div><div>And another cap dumper !! Lets me guess, 75 % of the league are cap dump. Can’t you read a statement?
Dvorak is money going the other way. There a thing call Salary cap and lets me explain this in a simple way. Calgary received a first round pick, a solid prospect in Beck, a young established defenseman and a third round pick with the Dvorak money goiing the other way like it’s always the case in majority of the trade. Also cap dump are made by team that need absolutely to shed some salary to get under the cap. In this case it’s not the case. Monahan was a cap dump because Calgary needed the space to sign Kadri. Same for Marleau with the leafs a couple
Year prior. But i am not surprise that this simple principal is to hard to understand for many people here.
Dvorak isn’t Gretzky but he is still a valuable
NHL caliber players. Yes he make to much money but by no mean he is a cap dump. Gm are not stupid, they understand that there a maximum of contract that can be and also that they need players to full fill certain role. Calgary just lost 3 centerman in one season, Dvorak could very well be a season replacement option. But you didn’t think about that one minute. It’s easier to complain about the cap dump than use your brain to analyze the trade.</div></div>

Writing an essay about it doesn't make a cap dump not a cap dump.