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LobsterMagnet19

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Forum: Armchair-GM22 avr. 2017 à 23 h 48
Sujet: Bringing in Jarmo's past pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LobsterMagnet19</b></div><div>

Dude.... A bottom pairing defenseman, 4th liner, a B prospect, and likely late pick in a draft a year away is "waaaaaaaaayyyyy too much" for Duchene? An established top six forward with multiple All Star and Team Canada appearances and multiple .9ppg+ seasons. That's asinine. Columbus would run away giggling and giddy from this deal like a school girl. It's less than the Avs got for O'Reilly, less than the Jets got for Kane, hell, it's actually CLOSER in value to what Ladd, Shattenkirk, and Hanzal fetched as RENTALS on trade deadline day (prospect, + contract dump + late 1st) and its LESS than what the Rangers paid to get Yandle. All of that to say that your continued devaluing of Duchene in every single Avalanche thread is ridiculous and undermines any hopes at credibility you might hope for in your comments.</div></div>

See, your comment just stated why you really don't know much about the players in the trade. Let me educate you. Murray is a top 4 defenseman. Probably a top 2 if given the chance. Murray was only playing the third pair because the first pairing consist of Werenski and Jones. Normally we would slot Murray alongside Savard but Johnson cannot play with anyone other than Savard. We would get rid of Johnson but him and Savard together is our best defensive pairing and one of the best in the league. Now, with the emergence of Carlsson and Nutivarra, Murray is expendable. So it has nothing to do with ability. But understand the Jackets will not sell Murray below his value.</div></div>

<img class="for_img" src="http://i.imgur.com/8Y7YYOU.png" alt="8Y7YYOU.png">

Sure doesn't look like a "top 4 or top pairing" defenseman to me.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 avr. 2017 à 1 h 36
Sujet: Bringing in Jarmo's past pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rangersandislesfan</b></div><div>in my opinion that is waaaaaayyyy too much for Duchene.</div></div>

Dude.... A bottom pairing defenseman, 4th liner, a B prospect, and likely late pick in a draft a year away is "waaaaaaaaayyyyy too much" for Duchene? An established top six forward with multiple All Star and Team Canada appearances and multiple .9ppg+ seasons. That's asinine. Columbus would run away giggling and giddy from this deal like a school girl. It's less than the Avs got for O'Reilly, less than the Jets got for Kane, hell, it's actually CLOSER in value to what Ladd, Shattenkirk, and Hanzal fetched as RENTALS on trade deadline day (prospect, + contract dump + late 1st) and its LESS than what the Rangers paid to get Yandle. All of that to say that your continued devaluing of Duchene in every single Avalanche thread is ridiculous and undermines any hopes at credibility you might hope for in your comments.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 avr. 2017 à 20 h 2
Sujet: Baby Steps V2
Don't let bad scores and silly comments from Leafs fans sway you on Duchene. Not only are you right in your instincts about his value, but history and all reasonable evidence are on your side as well. People on this site have such short memories and suddenly act like Johansen for Jones never happened. Even Hall for Larsson (which was lauded as terrible) would net the Avs more than shitty Jake Bean and a 1st rounder, but Leafs fans here want to say even THAT is too much? Please. Don't let the "Avs are bad" circlejerk get you down. You've put together some solid reasonable stuff here.

I like the Bjugstad/Soderberg thing as an idea, but for the time being I don't see the incentive. As far as I can tell the Avs would still be better off hoping for Soderberg to rebound as he seems more likely than Bjugstad. That said, there are other ways to make that swap worth it.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 avr. 2017 à 20 h 18
Sujet: Baby Steps
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>orignalsix</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LobsterMagnet19</b></div><div>

Is this all you do all day?

FWIW that trade is right on par with the value that comparable players have brought back in trade.</div></div>

So Duchene with 6m contract and only 2 years left and his 41 points is worth Hanifan and his 29 points from his Dman position, 5 more years of control and makes only about 1m a year. Now tell me why is Duchene such a great value to the budget minded Canes? And being subjective on the Duchene thread, he has never shown he can left an out of the play offs team to success. And Canes have to throw in a first rounder too.
Canes would be much better off to sign a UFA for 5m, keep Hanifan and their pick.</div></div>


Singling out 1 season of an 8 year NHL player's career, when he's on the worst roster in 20 years and often playing with a PTO on one wing and a waiver pickup on the other doesn't seem like a great metric for evaluating a trade in reality. It is, however, a great framework for circle-jerking around. Still in his prime production years, Duchene's track record of success (multiple Team CAN appearances, multiple All-Star appearances, multiple .9+ PPG seasons) far outweighs 30 bad games on a team that was out of the playoffs in December (before that Duchene was actually on a 30g pace again). Now that's a big ticket item in the NHL, as evidenced by the fact that you very rarely see players like that traded.

Hanifin is a big ticket item too, but lets not go nuts here. 1/3 of his points that you're touting with no context came on CAR's pretty avg power play (meanwhile Duchene's production dipped hard without many PP points on the league's worst PP unit). 2nd, Noah Hanifin spent the vast majority of the season logging limited minutes while sheltered. Is there a ton of potential in the kid? Of course. Is he already a bonafide stud D? Not at all. There's still plenty of risk involved in Hanifin not living up to that potential.

So lets sum it up. The Hurricanes would be looking to pick up the 2nd best offensive player in the history of their franchise at a time where they have an exceptionally deep D pipeline and can afford the loss of Hanifin, who would be instantly replaced within their system. While the Avs are looking to pick up a potential rebuild defenseman for a franchise that's struggled greatly to produce them, while giving up an all star calibre F who they replace through their own system in Jost. Now we can quibble about the add ins and add ons on each side and that's cool. I think in a deal like this the Avs would likely have to add Chris Bigras to stymie the loss of Hanifin. All that said, pretending that Hanifin for Duchene makes no sense on its face is ridiculous. It's an obvious quality fit for both sides in position, value, age, and win window. Dismissing it out of hand is ridiculous.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 avr. 2017 à 22 h 23
Forum: Armchair-GM2 avr. 2017 à 15 h 9
Sujet: Youth Movement, No Pylons, No Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LobsterMagnet19</b></div><div>


I hope Barberio doesnt get claimed by Vegas, he really has been the perfect depth add for them. Can move up to move in the Top 4 but really is a strong 3rd pair guy to play with. Him and Lindholm would be a solid 3rd pair next season, at least to start.

Duchene trade really is the key here. Do they get a Righty or Lefty. It seems like they have been attached to Right hand Dmen for the most part with is crazy to me. Unless they plan on moving on from barrie too. I dont know why they are linked to so many rights</div></div>

So let's play with that a bit. For expo protection I'm imagining 8 skaters: EJ, Barrie, Z, Barberio, Duchene, Landeskog, MacK, Andrighetto.

As for targeting RHD in a Duchene deal, it's a tricky thing but I think it has more to do with EJ than Barrie. If they're looking to go real young, Johnson doesn't make a lot of sense for the team anymore. He'll be deteriorating right as the Avs enter the best years of their next window to win. I personally can't help but wonder about the EJ for Drouin thing that popped up a few months back. If the Avs trade Duchene for an RHD that kind of move would make sense.</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GM2 avr. 2017 à 14 h 56
Sujet: Youth Movement, No Pylons, No Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LobsterMagnet19</b></div><div>Alzner wants both more money and more term than that. Franson is an interesting idea for the Avs though. Lindholm, Mironov, Bigras are all better value and sense for the Avs than signing Postma.</div></div>

I agree with the Postma signing. But Bigras will be in the AHL next year. He had a tough injury filled season so he needs more time. I might want to see the Avs resign Weircoich over Postma but getting another RHD in postma might not be the worst idea.

I would rather the Avs stay away from Alzner. I think he is going to age terrible and if its a contract with long term...that could be a disaster</div></div>

Yes Bigras had the concussion this year and didn't make any real ground in his development. Still to me when this team goes out and signs Mironov and Butcher and then you add Meloche to the AHL team... adding a Postma doesn't make sense. Under contract already they have 5 at the NHL level (EJ, Barrie, Barberio, Lindholm and Beauchemin). Lets say Beauch is bought out like he should be and then the obvious signings (Zadorov and Mironov) get done. That gives them 6 already.

Now add whatever D they get in return from a Duchene trade and you're already at 7 D for the NHL. In that situation I'd rather just re-sign a guy like Wiercioch or Goloubef than go out and get Postma. Goloubef is actually the perfect fit there because of his AHL effectiveness. Add him to Bigras, Boikov, Butcher, Geertsen, Meloche and maybe Siemens and that's a real talented AHL blue line.