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Créé par: tannercarothers
Équipe: 2017-18 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 30 mars 2017
Publié: 14 avr. 2017
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Expansion:
Colorado asks FB to waive his NMC. He logically declines and is bought out.

Exposes: D Barberio, F Colborne and G Pickard
Vegas selects Barberio

Colorado trades F Carl Soderberg to Florida for Bjugstad whos development has stalled. Soderbergs deal is larger, but ends one year sooner. Colorado could even afford retaining the difference.

Colorado trades a prospect or late pick to MTL for Plekanec and a second round pick. This is a salary dump move for MTL that nets COL and early pick.

COL trades Matt Duchene to CAR for Noah Hanifin and the #12 pick in the 2017 draft. Sad to see Dutch go, but by the way he talks, I doubt he would resign here anyway. We could through the rights to Will Butcher in there as well, but that would not be a good system for him.

Colorado loses the draft lottery and picks 4th.
#4 they select RW Owen Tippett
#12 they select Callan Foote
Both players are left in the minors for 2017-2018

In free agency they make a run at Karl Alzner and lose.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 000 000 $
21 750 000 $
1925 000 $
1925 000 $
1925 000 $
1925 000 $
1925 000 $
33 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Butcher, Will
3925 000 $
Mironov, Andrei
3925 000 $
Transactions
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COL
  1. Plekanec, Tomas
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (CHI)
4.
COL
  1. Hanifin, Noah
Détails additionnels:
1st Round Pick 2017 - #12 - Select Son of Foote
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2018
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2019
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2020
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2273 000 000 $55 965 594 $0 $2 827 500 $17 034 406 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
C
UFA - 6
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, C
UFA - 2
5 571 429 $5 571 429 $
AG, C
UFA - 4
885 833 $885 833 $ (Bonis de performance662 500 $$662K)
C
UFA - 3
2 050 000 $2 050 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 4
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance75 000 $$75K)
C, AD
UFA - 2
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
741 666 $741 666 $ (Bonis de performance75 000 $$75K)
AD, AG
UFA - 2
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
2 400 000 $2 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
5 900 000 $5 900 000 $
G
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
UFA - 1
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
843 333 $843 333 $
DD
UFA - 1
853 333 $853 333 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
DD
UFA - 3
717 500 $717 500 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
DG
UFA - 2

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14 avr. 2017 à 17 h 46
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And try to move Comeau, Colborne and Plekanac at the TDL.
14 avr. 2017 à 18 h 20
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Waaaaaaayyyyy too much for Duchene if you ask me.
14 avr. 2017 à 18 h 38
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Waaaaaaayyyyy too much for Duchene if you ask me.


Is this all you do all day?

FWIW that trade is right on par with the value that comparable players have brought back in trade.
14 avr. 2017 à 18 h 49
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Waaaaaaayyyyy too much for Duchene if you ask me.


Is this all you do all day?

FWIW that trade is right on par with the value that comparable players have brought back in trade.


So Duchene with 6m contract and only 2 years left and his 41 points is worth Hanifan and his 29 points from his Dman position, 5 more years of control and makes only about 1m a year. Now tell me why is Duchene such a great value to the budget minded Canes? And being subjective on the Duchene thread, he has never shown he can left an out of the play offs team to success. And Canes have to throw in a first rounder too.
Canes would be much better off to sign a UFA for 5m, keep Hanifan and their pick.
14 avr. 2017 à 18 h 58
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Ya nothing is worth than Avs fans thinking Duchene is at McDavids level.

The guy has had a brutal season, making it clear he's better suited in a supplementary role, probably more of a top six winger than a top line centerman.
His season stats are very inconsistent, sometimes hitting almost 70 and sometimes around 40/50
If there was a Hanifin_Duchene deal I think if anyone had to add it would be COL
14 avr. 2017 à 20 h 18
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Is this all you do all day?

FWIW that trade is right on par with the value that comparable players have brought back in trade.


So Duchene with 6m contract and only 2 years left and his 41 points is worth Hanifan and his 29 points from his Dman position, 5 more years of control and makes only about 1m a year. Now tell me why is Duchene such a great value to the budget minded Canes? And being subjective on the Duchene thread, he has never shown he can left an out of the play offs team to success. And Canes have to throw in a first rounder too.
Canes would be much better off to sign a UFA for 5m, keep Hanifan and their pick.



Singling out 1 season of an 8 year NHL player's career, when he's on the worst roster in 20 years and often playing with a PTO on one wing and a waiver pickup on the other doesn't seem like a great metric for evaluating a trade in reality. It is, however, a great framework for circle-jerking around. Still in his prime production years, Duchene's track record of success (multiple Team CAN appearances, multiple All-Star appearances, multiple .9+ PPG seasons) far outweighs 30 bad games on a team that was out of the playoffs in December (before that Duchene was actually on a 30g pace again). Now that's a big ticket item in the NHL, as evidenced by the fact that you very rarely see players like that traded.

Hanifin is a big ticket item too, but lets not go nuts here. 1/3 of his points that you're touting with no context came on CAR's pretty avg power play (meanwhile Duchene's production dipped hard without many PP points on the league's worst PP unit). 2nd, Noah Hanifin spent the vast majority of the season logging limited minutes while sheltered. Is there a ton of potential in the kid? Of course. Is he already a bonafide stud D? Not at all. There's still plenty of risk involved in Hanifin not living up to that potential.

So lets sum it up. The Hurricanes would be looking to pick up the 2nd best offensive player in the history of their franchise at a time where they have an exceptionally deep D pipeline and can afford the loss of Hanifin, who would be instantly replaced within their system. While the Avs are looking to pick up a potential rebuild defenseman for a franchise that's struggled greatly to produce them, while giving up an all star calibre F who they replace through their own system in Jost. Now we can quibble about the add ins and add ons on each side and that's cool. I think in a deal like this the Avs would likely have to add Chris Bigras to stymie the loss of Hanifin. All that said, pretending that Hanifin for Duchene makes no sense on its face is ridiculous. It's an obvious quality fit for both sides in position, value, age, and win window. Dismissing it out of hand is ridiculous.
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14 avr. 2017 à 22 h 55
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So Duchene with 6m contract and only 2 years left and his 41 points is worth Hanifan and his 29 points from his Dman position, 5 more years of control and makes only about 1m a year. Now tell me why is Duchene such a great value to the budget minded Canes? And being subjective on the Duchene thread, he has never shown he can left an out of the play offs team to success. And Canes have to throw in a first rounder too.
Canes would be much better off to sign a UFA for 5m, keep Hanifan and their pick.



Singling out 1 season of an 8 year NHL player's career, when he's on the worst roster in 20 years and often playing with a PTO on one wing and a waiver pickup on the other doesn't seem like a great metric for evaluating a trade in reality. It is, however, a great framework for circle-jerking around. Still in his prime production years, Duchene's track record of success (multiple Team CAN appearances, multiple All-Star appearances, multiple .9+ PPG seasons) far outweighs 30 bad games on a team that was out of the playoffs in December (before that Duchene was actually on a 30g pace again). Now that's a big ticket item in the NHL, as evidenced by the fact that you very rarely see players like that traded.

Hanifin is a big ticket item too, but lets not go nuts here. 1/3 of his points that you're touting with no context came on CAR's pretty avg power play (meanwhile Duchene's production dipped hard without many PP points on the league's worst PP unit). 2nd, Noah Hanifin spent the vast majority of the season logging limited minutes while sheltered. Is there a ton of potential in the kid? Of course. Is he already a bonafide stud D? Not at all. There's still plenty of risk involved in Hanifin not living up to that potential.

So lets sum it up. The Hurricanes would be looking to pick up the 2nd best offensive player in the history of their franchise at a time where they have an exceptionally deep D pipeline and can afford the loss of Hanifin, who would be instantly replaced within their system. While the Avs are looking to pick up a potential rebuild defenseman for a franchise that's struggled greatly to produce them, while giving up an all star calibre F who they replace through their own system in Jost. Now we can quibble about the add ins and add ons on each side and that's cool. I think in a deal like this the Avs would likely have to add Chris Bigras to stymie the loss of Hanifin. All that said, pretending that Hanifin for Duchene makes no sense on its face is ridiculous. It's an obvious quality fit for both sides in position, value, age, and win window. Dismissing it out of hand is ridiculous.


This sums up the hard true of the matter. Great summary man!
18 avr. 2017 à 11 h 55
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If CAR balks at an additional pick with the prospect of losing Duchene to UFA, then make it Conditional. Butthurt/haterz solved! Also, COL would probably want a third asset, like a middle-tier forward prospect.

I also think Grigs doesn't fit at wing and is blocked by Jost & Compher at C, so send him to MTL and get a better draft pick back.
 
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