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Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 19 h 56
Sujet:
Realistic Lightning Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZKSTAMMER</b></div><div>Exactly... thank you</div></div>
@ me or sabres?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ZKSTAMMER</b></div><div>Post2Post did a video about it on YouTube called players poll... Coop was also tied for the coach that players want to play for:)</div></div>
I found a 2016-17 video but that's the youtuber dude's picks, not NHL player's picks. Not really that important of a discussion, Point is studly regardless, I just was curious to read the players voting him #2 most underrated.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 19 h 50
Sujet:
Future of Tampa Pt 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>matulix</b></div><div>So you would rather keep Gourde? I prefer trading away Gourde than Miller...</div></div>
This is why I originally said "Everyone always forgets about the NTCs"...
I can almost promise you that Gourde won't be traded. Reason being is we signed him to a 6 year, 31 mil (@5.167m cap hit), with a NTC until July 1, 2022 when it becomes a modified NTC. Technically his NTC doesn't kick in until July 1st this summer, but signing a player (especially long term) and immediately trading them is not how they do it the NHL. Looks terrible for the franchise and makes other NHL players want to avoid the possibility of ever joining TBL out of fear for themselves signing long term and then getting traded against their wishes. I thought Gourde may be an exception since I believed Yzerman stepped down after the Gourde extension. I was wrong, Yzerman left before his extension.
As far as player comparison, I agree with you on preferring to trade Gourde before Miller. I'm an analytics addict and overall they're both pretty similar players in almost all areas of comparison. Nearly same age (Miller turned 26 today, Gourde turns 28 in December) ; both physical players (Miller clearly the bigger of the two) ; both put up very similar scoring stats ; have near identical cap hits ; etc... But overall there's a couple reasons I prefer keeping Miller.
1. Slightly younger. 2. More height & weight which the fwd lineup is lacking. 3. Modified NTC. Allows us to trade him if we want/need to... not when Miller wants to be traded.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 19 h 11
Sujet:
Realistic Lightning Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres1108</b></div><div>yeah every player in the league wants to win thats the whole point of playing the game but money talks i dont see Point leaving 3-4 million dollars/year on the table when another team could easily offer sheet him for that....
he was voted by the players #2 most underrated player the the league maybe he wants to be the #1 somewhere and not be overshadowed by Kuch, stammer, hedman, vasilevskiy</div></div>
Money doesn't talk, it gives you **** to talk about. Winning the Stanley Cup isn't something you can buy, or can pay to talk about. It needs to be won, and only the league's best teams have legit chances year in & year. I can only hope Pointer has already realized this, but it is a fact that he wants to play & stay in Tampa Bay. Don't hold your breathe for an offer sheet, it ain't gonna be coming. Not for Pointer at least.
Can you link me to the most underrated players poll? I can't find anything that included Pointer. Not disagreeing on his skill level, just couldn't find a link.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 18 h 58
Sujet:
Ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jay27</b></div><div>Something like this may just happen in the offseason, especially if Callahan is willing to waive his nmc for Buffalo. Biggest reason Tampa didn't make a move at the TDL though is you have the best team in the NHL by far up to that point. Brisebois did the best thing he could, nothing. You dont mess with that chemistry.</div></div>
I understand the reasoning behind Tampa's "trade-less" TDL. I wanted Panarin / Stone if the price was right, but at the very least was hoping for a couple depth fwds and dmen... Especially with how cheap they went for on TDL day...
1995-96 Red Wings: 2nd best all time reg season finish (131 pts)... Lost in round 3.
2005-06 Red Wings: 5th best all time reg season finish (124 pts)... Lost in round 1.
1970-71 Bruins: 6th best all time reg season finish (121 pts)... Lost in round 1.
2009-10 Capitals: 7th best all time reg season finish (121 pts)... Lost in round 1.
2015-16 Capitals: 9th best all time reg season finish (120 pts)... Lost in round 2.
Only 8 times has an NHL team won both the President's Trophy & the Stanley Cup in the same year.
I'm not denying how dominant we've been this year, I'm just sharing history and why I'm pissed that we didn't even make a trade for a couple proven NHL experienced depth players. Oh whale, TDL is in the past. Either Tampa wins the cup this year and the boys resign on team friendly deals, but if they get eliminated again this year... Don't be shocked if big changes are made.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 18 h 37
Sujet:
Trade suggested by GMTD
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMTD</b></div><div>Thanks I see your point. The trade is not one for one, nor was the comparison one for one, so in response to your one for one, I will agree with your evaluation. But if the goal is to find a puck moving RHD and shed some cap, then my comparison is nearly on par with yours "Ristolainen > Sergachev-Callahan" with Callahan substituting for the pick or salary retention. You many want to change the > to an = which is fine with me. So we agree. IMO BriseBois and Betterall were talking. It involved a RHD from Buffalo and Callahan, beyond that it is all speculation. this post is merely a couple of amateurs trying to guess what the professionals were thinking.</div></div>
Yea I've had people tell me that the trade talks were legit & confirmed (still haven't read that claim myself, but I'll believe it).
First off, I'm not accusing of you of saying this directly, but I do not agree that the widely known "fact" that Tampa "needs cap space" is anything that would make other teams "gang up on us", or set crazy high prices to take on Cally's last year @ 5.8m... Why? Because like I said, he's only got a single year left on his deal & if Tampa wants to buy out Cally, his cap hit drops over 3m in 2019-2020 and only has a 1.56m cap hit in 2020-2021. That's it. It's not some crazy / threatening / "franchise cap altering" horror story that'd you'd see if you bought out guys like Milan Lucic, Bobby Ryan, Andrew Ladd, Kyle Okposo, etc.
I certainly think other teams will do the math themselves so they're on the same page, but there's no reason for any team to set their asking price higher than the natural buy out asking price that Tampa is already facing (save 3m in 2019-20 cap space + only shortens 2020-21 TBL cap ceiling by 1.56m). Yfm? And on the flip side, I think there's more than a handful of rebuilding teams that realize our cap issue and would like to snag a free pick/prospect out of our cap space clearing transaction(s). I understand why one would think that all the other teams would "gang up on us", but once they realize that not only is the buyout penalty we're facing a complete "slap on the wrist", but also realize that Tampa is gonna end up with cleared cap, one way or another... Just doesn't make sense why a rebuilding franchise wouldn't enter the bidding to see what free asset can be scored in a Cally dump trade.
I agree the goal (for Tampa) is first and foremost to open some cap space, but I don't think TBL is looking for a RHD unless it's easy to add in the trade. Not with Hedman, Mcdonagh, Sergachev, Cernak, Foote. Sergy is able to both right and left side, so we already have 3 capable RHD for next season. And it's very likely at least one of the following gets resigned: Stralman/Coburn/Girardi... I can also see Rutta and/or Gaunce resigning on a cheap depth deal.
It depends on who you're talking to if you're looking for opinion on value. Personally, I'd rather have 5.8m Cally + 900k Sergy than Risto (with or without the 2m retained). I'd probably reject Risto w/ 2m retained (3.4m) & a 1st rd pick for Callahan & Sergachev. I think extremely high of Sergy, I'll be really upset if we trade him tbh. He had a slow first-half of the year but since then he's been back to his elite status.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 17 h 42
Sujet:
Future of Tampa Pt 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>matulix</b></div><div>What? All I said was "stop trading Miller".</div></div>
Nothing it's just that Miller is the first that has to go after Callahan. Either him or let Point/Vasy walk.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 17 h 21
Sujet:
At the draft
Normally I'm the guy saying the bolts got short-ended in these Capfriendly mock trades. But I highly doubt either of those teams would make those trades.
Cally + 2nd-4th rd pick for Brickley
Boyd, Fehervary, & 2nd or 3rd + 4th for Palat
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 17 h 13
Sujet:
Ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMTD</b></div><div>One has to wonder why this was not completed at the TDL. Tampa could use a RHD and I am sure there were many teams that would been happy to take on Miller with only one year of Callahan's salary. It was a hot rumor that Ristolainen was headed to Tampa, but this trade makes sense and I thought a trade involving Bogosian would work if Betterall retained part of Zach's salary.
Then I speculated why Beaulieu was traded so late that maybe he was part of the deal. Callahan, Miller and Sergachev for Beaulieu, Bogosian, Shark's 1st and STL 2nd with additions and salary retention. Beaulieu is certainly not as talented as Sergachev but he has a decent NHL resume, Bogosian is not Ristolainen, but he would be less expensive and his contract runs out next year. Moving Callahan and Miller would allow BriseBois to sign Point. Adding Miller and Sergachev would upgrade Buffalo's center and LHD. Then Betterall could lean back with satisfaction that he traded O'Reilly, Kane for Sergachev, Montour and Miller. BriseBois gets his RHD, dumps cap to sign Point and adds a first and second round pick. He sets his team for the playoffs, for next year and with the picks for the future.
Just spitballin' and looking for comments.</div></div>
I agree, I'm pretty surprised this wasn't taken care of at the TDL... A Gudas return would be interesting. Unlikely, but interesting.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 17 h 7
Sujet:
TBL Realistic PLZ comment
Can't think of any reason why Killer would waive his NTC. I'd love to snag Kassian but we have absolutely 0 room for Benning, Benn, Bellemare, Krug. Girardi / Coburn (maybe even Strals) I think are both locks for 2m or less re-signs. Cal Foote is NHL ready next year. And there's even more fwd prospects in line than on the defensive waiting list.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 17 h 3
Sujet:
From another outlook
Yea doesn't help our cap. But value wise, the trade is more realistic than other mock trades on here (still OP on TBL side IMO).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 17 h 0
Sujet:
Trade suggested by GMTD
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NickC1988</b></div><div>Miller being better than McCabe is where your problem is. McCabe is the most underrated player on this site.</div></div>
I can't speak whether McCabe is under or overrated, but I can tell you that Tampa is the last team that's going to potentially overpay for someone just because the team trading him thinks he's underrated. Sabres can keep him if they think that highly, TBL doesn't even need another expiring dman.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 16 h 57
Sujet:
Trade suggested by GMTD
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMTD</b></div><div>Every one hates it, therefore it must be good. :laugh
Buffalo needs LHD and #2 Center. TML needs RHD and cap space.
Miller and Sergachev both have excellent Corsi %. I loved McCabe from his first NHL game. Ristolainen has been a solid player for Buffalo.
Let's presume Ristolainen > Sergachev-Callahan and McCabe < Miller+3rd. Maybe some adjustments could be made, but it helps both teams.</div></div>
As a Tampa fan, I do not agree with your "assumptions". If I was trading Sergy for Risto straight up, Risto would need to come with either 2m + retained and/or a 1st rd pick. If that's too much for Buffalo's "top 2 dman" then please just keep him and his atrocious plus / minus. He's literally on pace to be the all time most negative defenseman in NHL history. I've watched forwards expose him time after time and I'm not even a Sabres fan.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 16 h 46
Sujet:
Callahan to Buffalo
Lol I'd reject the original trade from Tampa's viewpoint.
I wouldn't trade Sergy for Risto (even w/ 2m retained) & a 3rd rd pick.
I wouldn't trade Miller, 3rd & Cally for McCabe.
I'd send Sergy, Cally (might add a late rd pick) for Risto (w/ 2m retained)
I'd send Sergy, Miller, Cally for Risto (2m retained) & Nylander/Mittlestadt.
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
14 mars 2019 à 16 h 14
Sujet:
TAMPA 2019-2020
Depends on how you're looking at it. To survive for 2019-20 alone, we could sign point @ an 11m cap hit and still be fine, without having to trade Miller (only Cally). And we could pay Vasy a 10m cap hit the following year and still be gucci.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 16 h 7
Sujet:
PO lines
Facts
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 16 h 6
Sujet:
Future of Tampa Pt 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BOLTLOVER1</b></div><div>Couldnt agree more on Miller .. trade Gourde then Palat then Killorn then Johnson then Sergachev .. all before Miller.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>matulix</b></div><div>Stop trading Miller ffs</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jshherman</b></div><div>Palat and Johnson have NTC that already are kicked in for the next couple years or so and I don't see them waiving to leave this team. Miller is reckless IMO as he seems to always have bad turnovers.</div></div>
Everyone always forgets about the NTCs :shakehead
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2019 à 16 h 2
Sujet:
Realistic Lightning Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres1108</b></div><div>Point gets more $$ than that or another team will pay more offer sheet</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JohnTavares91</b></div><div>No way point signs for that cheap</div></div>
You'll be surprised this off-season. Can't see him getting more than 8.5-9m in Tampa. Elsewhere is different story, but he wants to stay in Tampa & wants to win.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
13 mars 2019 à 19 h 49
Sujet:
Different Approach
Take out the 2nd in the cally trade, and forget the CBJ trade and I approve.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
13 mars 2019 à 19 h 45
Sujet:
Realistic Worst-Case Scenario pt 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>Mittelstadt + Ristolainen for Point ?
For the record,
I know for a FACT that Tampa tried to trade for Risto at the deadline
Offer was Miller, Cernak or Cirelli, and we take on a Cap dump (I’m assuming Callahan)</div></div>
Sources? I heard rumors, didn't know anything was confirmed. Personally you'd have to pay may to take on Risto, not a fan of his defense.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 mars 2019 à 21 h 21
Sujet:
Moves needed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>canesfan</b></div><div>I kind of like that trade, from a Hurricanes perspective</div></div>
Really? Add on a TBL 7th while you're at it, I'll send that trade every day of the week.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 mars 2019 à 14 h 18
Sujet:
Realistic Worst-Case Scenario pt 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fatwater</b></div><div>I can't speak as to Ingram's true value but only a fool would not do whatever it takes to make Vasy your goalie for life. If Ingram is that good then you trade him when you can maximise his value.
Kuuuch I think these are good exercises but do you think a bridge deal is a likely scenario for Point? It'a tough call given what he's done already and how nice it would be to have him locked in for 7-8 years. Of course what happens in this year's playoffs will be a factor. If we win the cup then that takes a lot of pressure off Brisbois and he can probably think more long term.</div></div>
Agreed, winning the cup is def a huge factor. I do know Point has said he loves Tampa and is willing to work with the team & doesn't care if he signs 3 years, 5 years, or 8 years. It's hard to predict which he'll chose but personally I'd say 5 years because of Stammer's first extension & the similarity in ppg @ time of signing. Matthews also just took 5 years. But Kuch, Johnson, Palat all got 3 year bridges so like I said it's hard to tell.
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Armchair-GM
11 mars 2019 à 23 h 36
Sujet:
Realistic Worst-Case Scenario pt 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>I mean the team he's on his absolutely OP. I'm not saying hes an amazing goalie and one of the best, but I think TBL would be better off spending that 10 million elsewhere. ingram looks like the best goalie in the AHL this season. tied for 2nd in save percentage, 2nd in GAA, first in shutouts. no idea why they sent him down to the ECHL. must've been conditioning. I think it would be tough for a team that good to invest 10 million in goaltending especially when they have a top goalie prospect in the system.</div></div>
Yea but the team doesn't change the saves you attempt to make as a goalie (referring to his several behind the back glove & other crazy saves).
I read somewhere it was because of having a bad attitude or something. They're both are expiring in 2020 so there's still plenty of time for Vasy to lose his elite/franchise status, but I can't see it happening.
If I was a GM and I could pick 1 guaranteed elite young superstar, I'd pick goalie every time but that's just me.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
11 mars 2019 à 22 h 46
Sujet:
Realistic Worst-Case Scenario pt 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>hot take: Connor Ingram is really good and lightning shouldn't invest big money in vaselski, just like how they didn't invest big money in bishop</div></div>
Ingram is solid, but Bishop was older and Vasy IMO is the best goalie in the league right now. Call me biased, I just haven't seen any other goalie in history even attempt the saves that he's made. I've never trusted a Lightning Goalie more than him, but like I said that's just my opinion.
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Armchair-GM
11 mars 2019 à 22 h 40
Sujet:
Realistic Worst-Case Scenario
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>I doubt point gets over 10. but if he signs for say 9.5 million or whatever that gives you more breathing room under the cap</div></div>
I agree, this is just "what if", and it proves Tampa will be fine.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
11 mars 2019 à 22 h 12
Sujet:
EDM move
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMTD</b></div><div>I think there were serious discussions between BriseBois and Betterall. IMO Betterall wanted a roster player and a pick for Ristolainen. If Callahan is not moved, it will be very difficult to sign Stralman and Point (I am presuming Coburn and Giardi will not be offered acceptable contracts). So who be could the roster player, IMO only Gourde or Miller do not have an NTC or NM or similar. As many of you have indicated it will take more than a 2nd to move Callahan. Pulling all of this thoughts together, Ristolainen for Gourde and a second, with Callahan and 2 seconds. the 3 seconds would just about add up to 2020 first, so the trade offered was Callahan, Gourde 2020 first for Ristolainen and 2020 third. Betterall wanted a younger player, JT Miller, did not want to add a pick then Gretzky said no. Would any of you care to speculate?</div></div>
I really don't want Risto. Please no.
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