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Forum: Armchair-GM21 août 2017 à 14 h 42
Sujet: Vegas Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>trdeJong</b></div><div>This was all about meeting Las Vegas's needs...

The need to add prospects - need to move out a few d-men (instead of loosing them for nothing in late September - max roster will force this!)

Let me break this down...
Shinkaruk = 1st round 24th overall pick
Klimchuk = 1st round 28th overall pick
Both are taking longer to develop then originally predicted but both are progressing!
Kylington = 2nd round 60th overall pick
A solid D prospect that is waivers exempt (unlike 3-4 of their existing extra d-men!)
Bouwer = a bad - over priced contract BUT for a solid 3rd line leader - proven

This means Vegas is getting 1 late 1st + 1 late 2nd (worth more) for Neal - a 1 year rental? And 1 late 1st for eating Brouwer's contract - could be trad-able (eat 1.5 mil at the deadline say next year?)

That means Calgary gets an inexpensive D-man (if not Engelland than someone else that can play 3rd shut down D role) plus 2 late picks (3rd + 5th) for Rittich...
Rittich is way better than either Dansk or Lagace... Rittich can push Pichard - he can be called up if Pichard or Fleury are sick or injured...
Rittich may even be used as a servicable back-up to Pichard or Fleury if Vegas decides to trade either at the deadline for picks! So Vegas can make a big move for an additional 1st in January!

Guess it just me that thinks this is a win win for both teams but that's what comments are for... : )</div></div>

By your logic can Colorado trade Yakupov (former 1st overall) for Dougie Hamilton?

No, that would never work. Draft position doesn't matter if a player doesn't progress as he should after the draft. At this point both Klimchuk and Shinkaruk offer very little in terms of value because they have not progressed like first round picks should. Both are looking at careers in the AHL unless some insane developmental leap happens this year. Remember, Vegas passed on Shinkaruk when they could have gotten him for free and signed Engelland as a FA. Clearly there isn't much value there.
Forum: Armchair-GM24 juill. 2017 à 18 h 29
Sujet: Completely out of left field
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>flamesfan419</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KS42SL</b></div><div>Pretty fair trade with Philly IMO, I don't think they will retain that much salary though, if any.</div></div>

The salary retention amount makes the move a wash contract wise for both teams. Plus I think if Philly really did look at offers to move Giroux they're going to have to retain salary regardless where they move him. That's why I used the dollar amount I did.

As for Duclair, it's been rumored ARI isn't that high on him after the disappointing season last year and may be open to moving him out. I think that line of Bennett-Konecny-Duclair could grow together and really be something special for years to come.

Thank you for your comments and suggestions.</div></div>

I get what you're saying, but the salary retention tips the scale to much in Calgary's favor. No salary retention by Philly would make this more even I'd say.

As far as Duclair goes, even if they are down on him, a 7th round pick has essentially no value and a 4th is marginal value at best. That's why I think you'd need to give up a bit more to get him. Even after a bad year he still has more value than a 4th round pick IMO.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juill. 2017 à 17 h 14
Sujet: Flames - trade with WPG
@ RipperRob

Ok, I'll bite. I agree that my Gaudreau comparison is not as good is what you were suggesting Calgary trade for Wheeler, but that was on purpose to highlight my point. Yes, Gaudreau has more value that Wheeler, but Wheeler is still one of the top point producing forwards in the league. Scoring is the hardest thing to do in the NHL and teams don't give players that can score like that up for average packages.

As for the trades you proposed:
- Marcus Johansson: Way way way less valuable than Wheeler, not a very good comparison and Washington was in a cap crunch.
- Panarin: On-par production wise with Wheeler, more valuable given his age but will be looking for a monster contract in the next few years. And Saad is one hell of a player - a lot more valuable than the package you are offering for Wheeler. Also, Chicago needs the cost certainty more than Winnipeg.
- Taylor Hal: 99% of people would agree that this was horrible asset management, so not a good deal to use as a comparison. Also, young RH defensman were the most sought after players last summer and it was very obvious that Edmonton was dealing from a position of weakness (much like Calgary is with the need for a top line RW)
- Kessel: Attitude/compete ''issues'' lowered his trade value to be probably on par with what Wheeler's is right now. And that package is way more valuable and to comparable to what you are offering for Wheeler.

I guess the main point of all this is that your package for Wheeler was not enough to entice Winnipeg to move him. I would hazard a guess that teams like Carolina, Columbus, etc would easily top that offer in search of offence. Maybe if Ferland is having a great year riding shotgun with Johnny and Monahan his value goes up. But right now it's not very high, most teams have a player like Ferland that they are high on already. Rittich has basically 0 value, he is a dime-a-dozen in this league, and Winnipeg already has 2 young goalies, as well as Eric Comrie in the system. Kylington is a decent prospect, but projects as middle pairing at best. Winnipeg also has a lot of young D-men already, so why would they need Kylington?

With all this being said I'll update my Gaudreau proposal: Gaudreau for Nick Ellis, Jujhar Khaira, Ethan Bear and a 3rd. Do you even come close to biting on that? I wouldn't.