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Forum: Armchair-GM24 oct. 2022 à 4 h 29
Sujet: sell sell sell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Canucks123</b></div><div>giroux only wanted to go to one team...</div></div>

Ok, then do a little research for me. Who was the last trade deadline rental to fetch that kind of return and why would Bo Horvat be a comparable for them? I ask because I don't think this player exists and if they don't exist, obviously this trade isn't going to happen.

So I went looking across the last 5-6 deadlines and the only comparable trade to this was Matt Duchene from Ottawa to Columbus. Matt Duchene when traded was on pace for a 44 goal and 95 point season(across 82 games). What are you expecting out of Horvat this season? Interestingly enough, after looking I realized one of those picks Ottawa got was conditional and never exchanged so this trade would in fact be quite a bit more value than what Duchene was traded for.

Another interesting comparable would be the trade that moved JT Miller and Ryan McDonaugh from New York to Tampa. At that time, Miller was a comparable player to what Horvat is now and Ryan McDonaugh was a true top 4 defenseman unlike Schenn who would be 3rd pairing at best on most playoff teams. McDonaugh also had term remaining on his contract.

I'm going to assume you can see why comparables like these make you look foolish.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 août 2022 à 9 h 58
Sujet: BoHoTDL
I really believe that Allvin will be quite focused know keeping Horvat in the fold, especially given the Mikeyev signing (which I view as player signed to "replace" Miller).

What is the price on a 27-28 year old 2 way centre who pots 60 points a year? I think we look at Danault as a comparable. I would argue Horvat is better offensively, Danualt better defensively. So, does Horvat get $6 million? Given the leadership skills, he sees more. So, I say $7 million a year over 6 years is pretty ballpark. Am I off base? Let's see what Kadri signs for, as that would be comparable #2 really. I am not taking career years as a barometer of worth.

If the Horvat camp wants north of that $7 million, then a trade maybe eminent. Now, if this avenue is taken, a smart Allvin would allow for the ole "sign and trade" to maximize value. But, let's look at both scenarios.

Horvat as a pure rental should net a 1st and a bluechip project. I would use the Lehkonen deal as a comparable. Lehkonen is fantastic defensively, and has offensive game (40 points off the wing), and can play 17 minutes a night. This netted a 2nd and Justin Barron (albeit with some retention, a place Allvin would likely have to go). Horvat's defensive game is a notch below Lehkonen, but can produce more offensively and munch more minutes. So, given this, a 1st and a bluechip prospect should be the ask, at minimum. What that looks like would be team specific, but just to spitball a couple possibilities (not claiming these to be fits, but an idea of what a package would look like)......

Jersey: 1st and Zetterlund or Reilly Walsh

Ottawa: 1st and Greig

Boston: 1st and Lysell

If Allvin manages to negotiate a sign and trade, I would think a similar package would be in Play, with the inclusion of an NHL player to fill that roster spot - not anywhere as great as the Tkachuk deal, but a similar make up. (Again, not claiming fits here)

Boston: 1st, Lysell and a Jake Debrusk

Ottawa: 1st, Greig and Pinto

NYI: 1st, Hölmstrom and Nelson

Again, we see a downgrade in the package over Tkachuk (and we should), but the basic construct in a sign and trade should reamin.

That is my 50 cents.