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Forum: Armchair-GM13 août 2018 à 19 h 19
Sujet: Draisaitl
I don’t think I have seen a trade on this site between MTL and Edmonton that actually works. The pieces Montreal has to move are ones Edmonton can’t afford to pay, also aren’t valuable enough for Edmonton to want and would need cap a dump in order to work.

I also don’t think Draistle is the answer to Montreal’s problems. At least not a good enough answer to solve all of them. He would be a good piece but wouldn’t put them into the playoffs next year, most likely doesn’t even move them out of the bottom 10. So then you have to wonder what he is worth in another deep draft, personally, I’d say he is worth a 6-10 pick, plus the other pieces. If that ends up being a top 5 pick though, it doesn’t look at good. Especially in this years draft where there is some elite centers in that top 5, which I don’t know if anyone knows this, Montreal needs.

This deal would likely have to be at the draft, with the right top 10 pick, Pacioretty resigned and Edmonton not as worried about the cap. All very unlikely things to have.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 août 2018 à 10 h 33
Sujet: reality test
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Username_Bot</b></div><div>Well explain and tell me what is a fair deal</div></div>

I said it before:

1) A pile of crap does not bring back a good player. You actually have to give up talent to get it.

2) teams don’t trade players they just signed or trade for players that just left.

3) you have to have some org depth. You can’t trade a dozen plus players for 3 or 4.

4) put yourself in the other teams shoes and think about the other teams needs, direction, salary cap implications before just trying to take a player you want for players you don’t. I mean would you take a bunch of 4th liners and backups for Pasta or Mcavoy or Bergeron? Ya, neither would other GMs.

5) don’t overpay for players just because you like them or undervalue players just becuase you don’t
Forum: Armchair-GM10 août 2018 à 16 h 18
Sujet: Nylander signs, noting Larkin's deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>If you underpay stars and overpay depth, you lose your stars later on.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>They don't need proven depth they need talented guys ready to step up or they'll get guys like Tyler Ennis, decent players who need a reboot on their careers and will take league minimums for a chance to increase their stock by playing with Toronto's stars. There are so many benefits to what I am proposing if you're willing to think long term and outside the box.</div></div>

Yeah I am done here. You are stupid if you think 2 million is overpaying for 3rd line prospects that can develop into top 6 guys. Also the fact that you don't think a team needs proven depth says everything.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 août 2018 à 15 h 15
Sujet: GTD move your best player
All valid points guys. <a href="/users/jp_harvey" target="_blank">@jp_harvey</a> <a href="/users/Subbanator7667" target="_blank">@Subbanator7667</a> <a href="/users/markmws" target="_blank">@markmws</a> <a href="/users/Truebeliever" target="_blank">@Truebeliever</a>

I think there's only one way to really look at it though, that no one really is bringing up.

What was the alternative?

Trade Price? Molson wouldn't sign off on that and we all know this.. MB would be fired on the spot as he'd be trading Price for younger, less proven assets as the basis of any Price deal (before his extension was signed) and that would mean a rebuild. We all know this team does not want to publicly say "Rebuild" and that has to do with Molson's input also. It will mean less dollars going to him and he would rather put a less stellar product on the ice to keep that revenue stream going than play for the long term health of his team.

Hold out on Price? Yeah in hindsight that would of been the smart but then again, how many players go on to have great years in their last years of their contract...not the worst years of their careers...That was a monumental risk. If he wanted 10.5 now what would have he got with another big season to close out his contract, not to mention the potential of him leaving for nothing? So hold out on Price now you have Price playing bad like he in reality did and everyone's now saying "The uncertainty of his contract status is whats distracting him". We all know the MTL media would spark some sort of negativity about it and than comes the fans scrutiny. "We had the best goalie in the world and we held out on him. Is MB stupid?". On and on and on it goes.

So I ask again. What was the alternative? Price is the most accomplished goalie of our generation other than Stanley Cups. There was no alternative. MB had to sign Price before the season starts (I believe it was right?). He couldn't trade him. He just finished making a very unpopular trade for Weber with the explanation that the window was to win now. Trading Price was counter-intuitive to what he was feeding the media and fans and owner!

The next important thing to remember is; what are the specifics of why this is a bad contract?

-Length? He would of got 8 years anywhere if it was offered so its not a big deal. (7 on the open market) Good goalies typically play till 36-39 with their play starting to regress within that area. This is the problem with all UFA signings for over 30 players though. There will always be a portion of that contract that will look horrible. Don't want that to happen? Don't ever resign/sign players who are over 30 years old to more than 2 year contracts. So in other words, never resign any UFA status player. That's not realistic. Even though a smart team IMO would take advantage of this and come out ahead but that's just me.

-The cap? Yep, its high. Its also a trend setter contract.... anytime you are the highest paid of a category, your breaking new ground. By the time Price is 38, goalies will be making 10M left and right. I think some are exaggerating how bad this contract is precisely because of the bad season he just had. Had he been just as good as the previous year, there would be a lot less negativity, it would still be scrutinized but not nearly the way it is now.. Its the uncertainty that is getting people to exaggerate. Price is 31 guys, he still can be elite level good for the next 4-5 years of that contract. Lundqvist, Quick, Thomas, Luongo, Miller, Smith, Rinne, etc etc etc These guys are all still top talented goaltenders at their ages or at least were at one point during their 34-38 years. Can we please give Price the same benefit of the doubt? One other thing that can't be ignored is the QC tax. Comparing $ to $ in TB and MTL isn't fair. MTL plays with a handicap against them and the NHL won't acknowledge this. So its up to these teams to be extra creative where they shouldn't have to. Meaning Price just needs to point the Quebec flag and he gets probably 1M more than 20 other cities in the NHL simply because of where he lives. Haven't even gotten into the media spotlight/high expectation/weather being a factor that can be used as leverage in negotiation if needed.

-% of the cap? As I said its a trend setting contract. I think that is also misleading. It should be "relative % of cap". Habs don't win unless Price is in that lineup. Would the Habs be just as bad if they didn't have Shaw, Schlemko and Alzner instead? No way. I think they hindered more than they helped last year. Price can make the 700K dmen look much better than they are. Can't say those other two guys make that much of a difference as Price does. So yes that % is high. Higher than any other but of all the players getting 12+ % or higher of team cap, which is most important to their teams? Hard to not say Price is by far the most important. McDavid being the only contender who might take it.


So I ask a third time. What is the alternative? Rebuild? I would love nothing more than the Habs rebuilding but if the big boss doesn't want that, the boss doesn't want that. There was literally nothing to be done with Price. We had to sign him 10.5M for 8 years and we have to hope that he plays the way he's capable for only 2/3's of it. That final 3rd of his contract, where he'll probably suck, isn't a choice. Its a retirement gift for the 10+ years he killed for the Habs at less than true value before hand........ That's the price, no pun intended, of keeping star players past their primes.

All I ask is that Price play well during his first 4-5 seasons of that contract. The rest I could care less. By that point it'll be less about whether he's playing up to that contract and more up to management getting creative with his contract and if that means buying him out, trading him with an asset to get rid of him, etc etc, that's the price of having Price. (pun intended)
Forum: Armchair-GM10 août 2018 à 14 h 12
Sujet: Bailey as a 2nd Line Center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jp_harvey</b></div><div>I like the idea! I like the top 6 of the Isles...but that bottom 6 is AWFUL! Just a scrappy bunch of dudes who won't chip-in goals that often...and the goalies are "meh".

This might be a long season for them. Also, just a little tip for all of you guys, don't expect Barzal to repeat his 85pts campain, this season! If he ends up with 65pts, it'll be a big win for the organisation &amp; him. He won't be sheltered anymore.</div></div>

I agree with everything you've said. Originally, I wanted to show the 3rd line as Bellows, Kovar and Ho-Sang. It'd probably be a legitimately threatening 3rd line offensively. But I think they start the season in Bridgeport. Lou will want the kids to take their spots rather than handing to them. They'll get their shot next year once a few contracts expire and once Wahlstrom gets one more year of development in.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 août 2018 à 3 h 10
Sujet: GTD move your best player
I am not sure either of you are giving Price enough credit. He had a bad season last year, yet looking at his previous - dominant - five, last season <em>appears</em> to be a statistical anomally. Most pundits - not people sitting at a computer from their home or office - would agree with this. He's a top 5 goaltender and will remain that way for at least the next 5-6 years. While the cap hit is high, I assume the Canadiens consider him a must.

I also do not think it would be as hard to move as some are stating. The Flyers, for instance, have been a goaltender away from a Cup since Parent, and should JUMP at the chance to get him. He has always been a goaltender that could single handedly get his team to the playoffs or, at the very least, gives the team 5-10 wins it had no business winning. He's a stud. Most teams - with exception of Washington, Columbus, NYR, and Anaheim, would jump at obtaining him, however the cost would be extremely high.

I know...I've considered a world in which you'll come at me with a rather childish, internet trolling post that is ended - rather poinently - by "Schooled!" Yet at this point, I rarely if ever look at the responses on this site anymore. They're always pretty mean, and coming from people that have no real reason to be mean or even know that much about the sport itself: They just pretend to. The website is supposed to be fun, not cutting people down. Again, you can respond, but I'm not sure you'll actually get me to read it. :)