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Forum: NHLil y a 8 heures
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WJC_Enthusiast</b></div><div>I feel like they could've waited a but longer to sack Hakstol. He didn't do that bad of a job with a underwhelming roster in terms of talent</div></div>

I think that they had success 2 years ago with a really well executed system of play. A "mid" roster but was deep and they could roll lines and everyone pretty much was interchangeable parts.

The flaw in that thinking is that once teams scouted and executed how to beat their system they became a lower mid team since they lacked the elite talent to adapt and make adjustments.

It was a great way to get competitive right away but it isn't going to get them into the next tier of teams. Big risk that they fall backwards, but Ron Francis is gambling they can get the right coach to take them to the next level without the elite talent.
Forum: NHLHier à 22 h 12
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Domi's said numerous times if he stays he is willing to take a discount of course open market he can get more but if he stays its on a discount like what Paul did with TBL

Wouldnt be surprised if its a 3.15m x 7 year deal like Pauls was

Liligren is not gonna get to much. Guy didnt have a super great season and does not have a tonne of leverage see a 2 year 2.25m deal as rn he's a third pair guy who can do a bunch of little things but not excel at them. Basically Liligren got a Bear deal</div></div>

You might get Liljegren on 1 year at that AAV but if there is term it will be around $3m AAV. I dont see any reason to argue against this analysis: <a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-predicting-rfa-defencemen-next-contract/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Predicting Maple Leafs’ Expiring RFA Defencemen’s Next Contracts</a>
Forum: NHLlun. à 15 h 42
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So I did the math.

Bertuzzi will probs get around 4.75m-5.5m and Domi 3-4m both on 5-6 year deals

TOR then has enough to bring in a 4-6m Dman (Roy, Demelo, etc.), Lybushkin at around 1.5m, and a 2m goalie to backup Woll

Its tricky but doable as they have seen some guys step up and graduate

Robertson, McMann (was hurt the series so who knows what we would have seen when healthy), Benoit, Dewar, Holmberg, etc.

Like man it sucks McMann got hurt as he was snakingly becoming a B6 weapon who could score off the rush or just drive the net</div></div>

I think Domi will get more, even as a low end 2C or as a 2nd line winger he is probably in the same range as Bertuzzi. His play down the stretch and in the playoffs has helped him alot.

Also, where did you value Liljegren?

I think there is only room to bring in 2 out of 3 of Domi, Bertuzzi, and a 1st pair RD.
Forum: NHLlun. à 15 h 14
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Apparently per Friedman

Both Bertuzzi and Domi and the TML have mutual interest in a return

TOR is talking with McCabe on extension

Berube is the front runner for HC


Doing the math on if bringing those two back and doing other things is do able and getting what we want but yea its not bad so far.</div></div>

I can't see how much changes for TML if they don't add a high end top 4 RHD. With Pesce, Montour, Roy, Walker, and some others likely on the market they'll need between $5 and $7 million available in free agency; all of those re-signings would use up their cap space along with Liljegren RFA and goalie deals.

Their offense being only created from the top 6 forwards is the most predictable attack; if they got better transition and offense generated from their defense they would be a much more dangerous and consistent team.
Forum: NHLlun. à 14 h 57
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>If I were on the leafs board I would vote to give it one more go.

Worry about Marner/Tavares in 12 months. If one of those 2 approached and wanted out, would facilitate, otherwise, no.

With Utah’s existence; added buying pressure of available on ice talent as well as numerous teams looking for coaches, it is a bad offseason to voluntarily become a buyer of both. Everything is locked up, can focus on building a better team. Can deal with the headaches in a future friendlier environment. Maybe take a shot at a coach if there’s one guy that really moves the needle but if I didn’t get my guy I wouldn’t dump what I have for second best.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I feel rn they have 2 plans

1. Ask either if they would be willing to waive

If yes then they make a move

If no on to plan B

2. Same **** build around them and see</div></div>

Yeah the coaching decision is the front and center (another HC let go before extension?)

Player wise there really is just a few things that can do to improve the team vs "change for change's sake".

Pick 1 UFA: Max Domi or Tyler Bertuzzi
#1 RD in Free Agency
Goalie (1A or 1B) in Free Agency

Beyond that it is coaching/execution/systems and the role of the youth movement: Knies, Quillan, Minten, Cowan, Grebyonkin, Niemela, Hildeby getting any meaningful roles in 2024-25.

Predicting/expecting anything major beyond that requires 2 or 3 "steps" to come together that are impossible to determine today at this stage
Forum: NHLjeu. à 9 h 36
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>I guess PLD managed a single shot over the final 4 games. (It was in game 2, so it’s been a minute)

Admittedly only watched about half of them due to timezone/work.

Looking thru individual game stuff….it’s so bad. For example, the numbers tell me he was the worst skater on the ice in game 2 by every way to measure it, and that was a game his team won and scored 5 goals.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/202404240EDM.html


Did he look as bad as his stats look? If there’s no injury…</div></div>

Yep he was coasting, a step behind every play. Someone who doesn't follow hockey asked if that guy does any conditioning at all or does he just roll out of bed and show up for games like a rec player.
Forum: NHLmer. à 22 h 0
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>But remember Brind’Amour does not want to leave Carolina just to leave or cause of organizational setup. Issue right now is they are not meeting his asking price and so he may have 0 choice but to go fine im going to market

Sure those also apply but it seems the main disagreement is how much is being offered to him. CAR really got to stop being so cheap its gonna really cost em.

With TOR being hungry for a cup and not having a big window, if they once again drop the ball Keefe's 100% gone and I could see a new coach super deal tying or beating the previous Babcock one

Like if TOR offered 10m x 5 years to him would be pretty stupid to reject dont yah think. Plus get to coach Matthews added bonus</div></div>

Not saying TOR wouldn't be a top contender either. It's just that "job security" is a top factor; and likely the roster construction/ development system. Treliving and his team; the scouts; etc would have to be aligned with Brind'Amour on philosophy. Not saying they arent; just saying that is more important than $; otherwise nobody is successful and everyone gets fired
Forum: NHLmer. à 21 h 57
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>But remember Brind’Amour does not want to leave Carolina just to leave or cause of organizational setup. Issue right now is they are not meeting his asking price and so he may have 0 choice but to go fine im going to market

Sure those also apply but it seems the main disagreement is how much is being offered to him. CAR really got to stop being so cheap its gonna really cost em.

With TOR being hungry for a cup and not having a big window, if they once again drop the ball Keefe's 100% gone and I could see a new coach super deal tying or beating the previous Babcock one

Like if TOR offered 10m x 5 years to him would be pretty stupid to reject dont yah think. Plus get to coach Matthews added bonus</div></div>

Everything I've heard is it's more about his assistants and their job security/compensation.
Forum: NHL1 mai à 19 h 51
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>I think you’re underestimating the Brind’Amour -Francis connection and how much money Seattle has</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Money talks though and if TOR is sitting there with a Babcock or 10m offer idk if Brind'Amour would reject it

Like the main reason he would leave CAR is money thats what were getting from the majority of reports.

Sure he may know Francis but he's not leaving for the sake of leaving there be factors in play and I dont see SEA outbidding TOR if they really want this guy

Plus he gets to coach Matthews big bonus ;)</div></div>

I think relationships, organizational structure and system alignment matter much more than people realize for HC
Forum: NHL1 mai à 10 h 23
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Wanna see why I say Goalies are silly geese

Connor Hellebuyck is in the Vezina conversation and will probs win it

60 games 2.39 GAA and a 0.921SV

Jets got eliminated tonight and in those 5 games

5.23GAA and a 0.864SV

And here's the kicker at the TDL WPG spent

1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for a 5 playoff games run</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>The jets allowed 14% of the goals they allowed during the entire season in 5 games in round 1.

From the lowest goals against in the entire league to this is really hard to process.</div></div>

And Hellebuyck was arguably one of their best players in that whole series, he made tons of great saves and hardly any of the goals were cheap ones.

The Jets D blew it big time; and not just the blueliners, their whole team D fell apart after the 2nd period of game 1 and only came back for the first half of game 5. Colorado's speed, transition, and relentless forechecking attack just had them scrambling and the scoring came in bunches that demoralized the Jets. Josh Morrissey was about the only consistent threat for them.
Forum: NHL29 avr. à 23 h 47
Forum: NHL29 avr. à 12 h 18
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>There's a widespread belief that the Leafs will look to trade Mitch Marner if they lose in the 1st round again. This would be one of the biggest trades of the cap era, so where do you guys think Marner will wind up?

I think New Jersey makes sense, they have a surplus of very elite defensive prospects that will be enticing to Toronto (Casey 👀), and also some good young players like Mercer. They also have the 10th overall pick which will likely be a defenseman, which is of no use to NJD. Wonder if that is in play.

Nashville also makes sense to me, I could see something revolving around Tomasino + Askarov being a solid base.

Utah could also make a lot of sense, they have so many picks and prospects while also having a desire to compete.

It'll be an interesting offseason</div></div>

It's 100% up to Mitch Marner and Mitch Marner alone about IF and WHERE he gets traded, due to NMC.

Would he waive his to go to Pittsburgh? Would Pittsburgh require Erik Karlsson to be the one going the other way and would he waive his NMC to go to Toronto?

If Marner wanted to leave Toronto, he can just wait for his contract to come up after next year (and another year of cap increases) and then leave on the open market or at next year's trade deadline when it is much easier to move money around and he can see who is a contender and he has a chance to improve his value during the regular season not now when it might be at it's lowest.

He isn't just going to bow down to the fan/media speculation and slink away cheaply. There is no motivation for him to do that.
Forum: NHL Signings29 avr. à 10 h 45
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs signed Nikita Grebyonkin (3 Years / $875,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>I WAS WAITING FOR THIS

I love Grebyonkin, he is looking to be such a steal for a 5th rounder, winning KHL rookie of the year last year.
I have high hopes for him

Interesting that they signed him for this year, is it to get him money for this year and burn a year?</div></div>

Yeah the timing must have to do with his bonus and the Leafs getting it under this year's cap instead of next years. That part is always confusing.

I had been waiting on this for quite awhile in one of my deep fantasy dynasty leagues but I cut bait when it didn't happen in time for my roster cutoff (since his KHL season was extended for the playoffs/championship).

Good signing (as in: he is coming to NA) so there can't be any complaints about it; there will be some roster spots at F between NHL/AHL that he can compete for