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Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 13 h 2
Sujet: is this enough comlubus fan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Habs_22_14_20</b></div><div>It’s pretty unrealistic his scenario, if CBJ want Lindstrom, they will take him. If they target a dman, they will draft a dman and MTL will pick Lindstrom. But MTL aren’t trading a bunch of future just to get THEIR guy.</div></div>

Isn't that the premise of this though? I think if Lindstrom is available, CBJ take him...unless Montreal has identified him as their guy and are willing to give up a huge package of futures to land him, in which case Columbus just takes BPA (likely a D-man). I also think it's unrealistic, but figured I'd at least answer the prompt.

Much like I said on all those KJ to MTL trade proposals: we aren't good trading partners. We have similar things, have similar needs, and have similar timelines to compete.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 11 h 45
Sujet: I love Demidov
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ginandtacos</b></div><div>Do we know that the team is sold on him? Honest question, haven't seen anything definitive yet.

I agree that trading down for quantity isn't likely to be the move for CHI now. The prospect pipeline has a lot of bodies in it, they won't all pan out but at this point it makes more sense to aim for elite talent rather than more bodies.</div></div>

Rumors are between Levshunov and Demidov, but who really knows. What is certain is that Demidov has just as high, if not higher, of a ceiling as Celebrini and would be a half step behind Celebrini in tiers with the players behind Demidov a full step behind Celebrini. Hawks have a big hole at RW with zero natural RW's in the pipeline. Demidov also is equal to Michkov of Kucherov at the same age, or even better. I don't see how the Hawks can pass him, but if they do, I can't see how they can pass on Levshunov.
Forum: NHL Signingslun. à 11 h 0
Sujet: Montreal Canadiens signed Adam Engström (3 Years / $950,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Habs_22_14_20</b></div><div>Struble is waivers exempt until 2026-2027 unless he plays 17 more NHL games (likely)
But I agree, he should start in Laval to keep him waivers exempt
He would be the first call up in case of injuries

But I don't think they will trade two defenseman this offseason
You need players in case of injuries and Savard &amp; Kovacevic deals expires after next season
You could find a dcore like this in 2025-2026

Matheson-Guhle
Hutson-Reinbacher
Xhekaj-Mailloux
Struble-Barron
(going 8th dman for the next 2 years)
I do think one of Struble or Harris will be traded before the start of the 2025-2026 season</div></div>

We say the same thing. I wrote Harris OR Barron gets traded this summer.

Harris is the obvious expendable one. Good stats, no obvious quality. Just a good all around regular season player. His trade return would be limited though.

This is why Barron should be considered as a trade chip. An offensive RHD 1st rounder could allow to get a future top 6 piece.

As for trading Struble, I would keep him at least until he's close to be UFA. He would bring a lot of stability/physicallity for cheap. IMO you keep him until he's 26 y.o.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 mai à 0 h 41
Sujet: The only players of interest for Guhle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Habs_22_14_20</b></div><div>Complementary top 6 wingers can be added via trade (Lehkonen/Hagel), drafting top 10 you should draft potential star players (McDavid/MacKinnon/Rantanen/Makar/Draisaitl,etc.).</div></div>

I mean, I don't fully disagree, but it's worth mentioning that the players you listed here are former #1, #1, #10, #4, and #3 overall picks. Rantanen is kind of the exception to the rule there - you can easily point to guys like Scott Glennie, Dylan McIlrath, Zach Hamill, Nikita Filatov, Olli Juoelvi, Lias Andersson, Michael Dal Colle, Griffin Reinhart, Vitali Kravstov, and so on as guys drafted in that #4-10OA range that completely flamed out.

I mean, hell, if you wanna do the "redraft" gimmick for the names you mentioned, it's worth mentioning that Hyman is 10th overall in goals scored for his draft class and Lehkonen is 25th overall in his class for overall scoring - you could make a strong argument that if you go back in time and draft those years all over again with the knowledge of how they've both turned out that both guys would be borderline lottery picks at worst. I get what you're saying about the type of player you want to get with a lottery pick, but the truth is anything outside the top 2/3 picks has a pretty decent chance into turning into nothing.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 mai à 11 h 43
Forum: Armchair-GM2 mai à 16 h 38
Sujet: Is Farabee available
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>I would do Farabee for Beck + MTL 2025 1st or Beck + CAL 2025 1st + COL 2024 2nd or PIT 2025 2nd.

The goal if they move Farabee is what the others in this thread said, get future top assets. Only way that can happen is through the draft because MTL won’t want to trade any of your top prospects which means we need to get our own.

Farrell has been a nice thing for MTL but doesn’t interest me much. You urself say Beck is only gonna be a 2C so that means the Flyers still need that 1C because Frost is also going to top out as a 2C. So Beck also doesn’t help them too much, so that means the only thing the Flyers really would want out of this trade that could make the difference for them is the picks.</div></div>

Understood, I can only see MTL be willing to part with WINs 1st rd pick this year, The 2025 CGY 1st rd pick could be moved, but not until MTL has more info on where the pick will land (There's no way they move it if it still has a possibility of being 2nd overall. Same applies for MTLs 2025 1st rd pick, until MTL knows how their season plays out, I highly doubt it's for sale.

And just my 2 cents, I don't see how a 24 year old winger who only just hit 50 pts, gets anywhere close to a potential #1C in value... Unless Philly is willing to add an even better asset to him, but at that point Farabee would only be a complimentary piece to the deal.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 mai à 15 h 55
Sujet: Is Farabee available
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Logicalicesports</b></div><div>I imagine they would want someone like Dach for Farabee. it has been said by many that he is on the block. But if the habs take Lindstrom or Catton I could see them thinking about Dach being expendable</div></div>

Nope, Dach is pretty much unmovable. Not just because Habs management have fully committed to him, and it's generally agreed upon that Dach has a higher ceiling than Suzuki. but because Dach has been dealing with too many injuries, there's no way MTL gets proper value for him in a trade. He <strong>needs</strong> to get healthy.
And if MTL were able to get another top 6 C (not a huge priority) like a Lindstrom at the draft, Dach can easily be moved to the wing, where he also had a lot of success.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 avr. à 12 h 46
Sujet: Perfetti
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yes, I would just keep Perfetti. Barron simply isn't better than any of Winnipeg's in house options.

While you can say both players struggled at times as all young players do. In think it's disingenuous for you claim that a young player that put up 19 goals playing regularly for most of the year in the top 6 on a team with a very good top 6, struggled as much as a a defenseman that couldn't consistently crack the lineup of a very bad defense.

Those are two very different levels of struggle.

If Perfetti was a Canadien, would you make the same deal for Barron?</div></div>

I am in the minority of MTL fans in feeling that Barron did not really struggle. He was MTL's 4th most used defence at 5v5 on average and he posted a 50% GF in that usage (which is a pass on a rebuilding team IMO).

He's not much a penalty killer and he had limited powerplay ice time on the 2nd unit, I assume MTL wanted him to improve his game defensively (specifically on the penalty kill) which is why they assigned him to Laval, but for the mistakes he makes he brings enough good to balance it out and that should improve with time. This was the last year before Barron required waivers so I think they just took the opportunity to develop him down there. Ultimately, the emergence of Struble is what pushed Xhekaj to Laval for a stint, but Xhekaj is simply better than Barron so eventually they changed spots.

But Struble had easier usage than Barron and he had worse results with a 47.76% GF, so I don't think it's fair to say he couldn't crack the line up... he was better than Struble and when he was in the lineup he played the majority of his minutes in the top 4.

Regarding trading Perfetti if I was the jets - i would say no not necessarily. But I would be trading a forward for a defenseman because of what they have in the system. I personally think Barron would be a good fit in WPG on the 3rd pair with the potential to grow into a top 4 role as he develops more consistency. He won't necessarily make you better right away but he gives you an internal solution to the aging and expiring contracts defence.

If you aren't interested I can understand (as WPG is probably wanting to get better now and doesn't really care about the future), my personal stance would be to keep Barron around anyways unless a really good offer is out there.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 avr. à 11 h 29
Sujet: Perfetti
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yet, he only played 48 games.

Perfetti would be 5th in points, 4th is goals on Montreal, so absolutely a top 6 player.

Barron would be behind Morrissey, Samberg, Pionk, Stanley and Schmidt next year and DeMelo and Dillon if they come back. So, he'd be fighting for 6D at best if DeMelo and Dillon move on.

So tell me how it improves Winnipeg to move a young 19 goal scorer that played in their top 6 for a 6/7 D.</div></div>

I'm not trying to sell you on this deal, and if you would prefer to keep Perfetti you can just say so... but you are being disingenuous when you claim Barron is the only "struggling" player meanwhile Perfetti is a healthy scratch right now.

Perfetti's pace of 44 pts / 82 games would put him 6th for Forwards for Montreal this year (I'm counting Dach based on his performance last season and Monahan who left a hole that needs filled). Montreal has $16M in cap space they can used to address forwards...

If I was acquiring Perfetti I would project him to be playing on the 3rd line for MTL:

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Newhook - Dach - TOP6 F
Perfetti - 3C - Armia

I would want to spread out the smaller Forwards Caufield, Newhook, and Perfetti.

Meanwhile (probably an unpopular opinion among habs fans) but I'm actually projecting Barron to play with Matheson based on their success together this year. I also project MTL rolling 7D:

Matheson - Barron (61.54 GF%)
Guhle - Kovacevic (58.82 GF%)
Hutson - Savard - Xhekaj (68.00 GF%)

Honestly, I'd probably just keep Barron and the 1st and rock with Joshua Roy who had an identical 20 year old pro year to Perfetti.

Again, that's how I see it for MTL, if you see things a different way for the Jets I respect your opinion... but you can't fault Barron (who was fine on a crowded defence) and not also fault Perfetti for the same thing (who was fine on a crowded forward group before he was pushed out by deadline acquisitions).
Forum: Armchair-GM29 avr. à 10 h 30
Sujet: Perfetti
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>19 goals doesn't sound like too much of a struggle. He's just learning how to be consistent. Not being able to crack the top 4 consistently on one of the worst teams in hockey is struggling.

Not to mention Montreal is the 2nd team to give up on Barron.</div></div>

See my edit from the original post:

<em>Also, Barron had a 61% GF paired with Matheson (top pair) this year and a 50% GF paired with Guhle (2nd Pair). He was quite fine in the top 4 at the NHL, I think MTL wanted him to work on some details in Laval as it was his last year of no waivers and they had a crowded blue line. Barron (22), Xhekaj (23), Struble (22) all seen stints in Laval this year, all of them are NHL calibre defenseman.</em>

When Barron played in MTL he averaged 16:00 / game at 5v5. That is 4th highest on MTL. I don't think MTL is giving up on him, it would be counter-intuitive to put him in the minors (when you are rebuilding) if you planned on trading him as that doesn't boost value.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 avr. à 10 h 18
Sujet: Perfetti
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>A struggling prospect and late first don't get you a young top 6 player.</div></div>

Claiming Barron is struggling and not conceding that Perfetti is also struggling is sort of crazy. Just using a pick value chart for reference this offer seems to be good ballpark value.

Also, Barron had a 61% GF paired with Matheson (top pair) this year and a 50% GF paired with Guhle (2nd Pair). He was quite fine in the top 4 at the NHL, I think MTL wanted him to work on some details in Laval as it was his last year of no waivers and they had a crowded blue line. Barron (22), Xhekaj (23), Struble (22) all seen stints in Laval this year, all of them are NHL calibre defenseman.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>I think this is a fair offer if Winnipeg has given up on him, don't think they have and will keep him though.

Also not sold on him on the Habs, don't know if you want a top 6 with Perfetti, Caufield and Suzuki, they're all on the small side</div></div>

Suzuki is 212 lbs, he is pretty solid I wouldn't classify him as being on the small side.