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Forum: Armchair-GM18 juill. 2018 à 14 h 41
Sujet: What to expect
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>the longer they wait the more the value decreases. If they do nothing, they lose him for nothing.
Players value doesn't magically go up at the trade deadline. If anything it decreases. Because everyone knows, it's now or never and no one who is in contention is going to give up any decent part of their team to get him while trying to make a push for the cup. They will get a pick and a prospect at the trade deadline at best, most likely coupled with a salary dump. They could do a pick and a prospect now, and save themselves the problem of the salary dump. Right now is the best they can hope for a return. If the GM blow it, he should be fired. he should have traded him last year when he still had term, then he could have asked for a kings ransom.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>the longer they wait the more the value decreases. If they do nothing, they lose him for nothing.
Players value doesn't magically go up at the trade deadline. If anything it decreases. Because everyone knows, it's now or never and no one who is in contention is going to give up any decent part of their team to get him while trying to make a push for the cup. They will get a pick and a prospect at the trade deadline at best, most likely coupled with a salary dump. They could do a pick and a prospect now, and save themselves the problem of the salary dump. Right now is the best they can hope for a return. If the GM blow it, he should be fired. he should have traded him last year when he still had term, then he could have asked for a kings ransom.</div></div>

I got really into this draft year, NYI instantly become my favourites if Karlsson has to be moved and can't be resigned. I'd love to see them get Walhstrom (especially if Dobson was also involved) or if Chicago is in the hunt Boquist. I was really high on selecting those players but I knew it would likely be Zadina if he fell (which didn't happen) or Tkachuk. But if you move Karlsson, then you have to move Duchene (because there would be no reason for him to resign here regardless of the offer). Arizona, NYI, Dallas, Florida, and Carolina would certainly be a group of teams with pieces for a Duchene trade.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2018 à 14 h 58
Sujet: Leafs-Flames Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Why the Nylander trades. Well is one good young piece that the Leafs might willing to trade. Just don't think the Leafs can do it this summer though, as Nylander might be necessary at centre with Bozak, Plekance and Moore gone via UFA.. So IMO any trade that doesn't include a centre in return in kinda futile. And keeping trading a RHD which so many fans crave for, just creates a hole at centre, and yes it might help at RHD, so that's just a lateral move.</div></div>

If you could only keep one, would you keep Marner or Nylander? I see how Nylander complements Mathews (granted I don't watch every game) but I feel like you could use Mitch as a trade chip and Keep Mathews/Kadri as your 1-2. Nylander on Mathews wing and Marner could fetch a pretty good RHD (although, still a lateral move that probably shouldn't be made)
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2018 à 14 h 49
Sujet: Karlsson Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dirtysaucedonny</b></div><div>I would definitely agree with your approach of "give me the farm". That being said, for Erik Karlsson, i don't want 6-7 guys that add up to around his value, I want 1-2 that are going to be bonafide NHL studs. This is the best defenceman in the world we are talking about, with another year left on his contract. Whoever trades for him is 95% certain they will be locking him down for the next 8 years, which the Sens brass should know. Personally, I really like the Avalanche in a Karlsson trade, but understand they likely won't be the ones going after him. If it's Vegas, I am walking away with at least Suzuki or Glass, a 2019 1st, a mid-range prospect and an under-24 roster player. Otherwise, I'm looking elsewhere. But, that's just how I would approach the situation. We'll likely trade him to the division rival Leafs for Matt Martin and watch him win the cup for 8 consecutive years in front of our face....Because, Ottawa.</div></div>

I look at it the same way as you, if I am losing 60-70points I would prefer a "hockey trade" with 60-70pts coming back the other way. I was just replying specifically to a Vegas trade. I would pass on Theodore, Miller, McNabb for the 3 other prospects instead of those guys. I'd much rather see Draisatl (who would never be included, 'cept Charelli) or RNH kind of EDM trade. I don't see Carolina or MTL having interest in moving their 2nd/3rd overalls in a Karlsson trade but that would hit the bonafide star I would want back. Get a 18 year old star for a 28 year old one, makes sense to me.

Still wish we could just start the year with Karlsson, Hoffman, Chabot, Duchene, Stone as the top 5/core and bring back positive sens media focused on the play of the 4th overall, how White/Brown start the year and any of the litter of youth breaking into the line up. Like normal offseason stuff
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2018 à 14 h 42
Sujet: Karlsson Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dirtysaucedonny</b></div><div>I would definitely agree with your approach of "give me the farm". That being said, for Erik Karlsson, i don't want 6-7 guys that add up to around his value, I want 1-2 that are going to be bonafide NHL studs. This is the best defenceman in the world we are talking about, with another year left on his contract. Whoever trades for him is 95% certain they will be locking him down for the next 8 years, which the Sens brass should know. Personally, I really like the Avalanche in a Karlsson trade, but understand they likely won't be the ones going after him. If it's Vegas, I am walking away with at least Suzuki or Glass, a 2019 1st, a mid-range prospect and an under-24 roster player. Otherwise, I'm looking elsewhere. But, that's just how I would approach the situation. We'll likely trade him to the division rival Leafs for Matt Martin and watch him win the cup for 8 consecutive years in front of our face....Because, Ottawa.</div></div>

Right MM initials. NHL Toronto media would have the best day of their life if they got to break a Marner, Lilegren, Johnsson trade for Karlsson.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2018 à 14 h 39
Sujet: Karlsson Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GSGHARRIS</b></div><div>pretty sure the 2018 pick belongs to DET from the tatar pick. I don't really want to see a roster player / pick in a Vegas trade. Give me the farm; Glass &amp; Suzuki are a top 10-12 talent in pretty much any draft class who put up a 100pt draft +1 years and will likely turn into good top 6 players and both would non-starters in this trade. Then two or all 3 of Brannstrom; could turn into a good player, harder to judge now but it's always good to see a 17-18 year old playing in the SHL, Hague; likely a 2nd round pick due to his size like when the sens drafted Gagne. Would take a couple years to see how he progresses but seeing 35g 78pt in draft +1 is a great jump from his draft year, Coghlan; went undrafted but put up respectable numbers last year and could jump right into an AHL spot with the Bsens and we need the RHD depth if Karlsson leaves. You win today, I might win tomorrow.</div></div>

Essentially I am congratulating McPhee on he's selections and scouting from last year's first two rounds plus a undrafted signing for Karlsson. Sens get a good set of prospects and wait 2-3 years to add them to Brown, White, Chaplik, Batherson, Luchuk, Formenton, Gagne, Chabot, Jaros, Sturtz, and 2018 4th overall already in the org.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2018 à 14 h 22
Sujet: Karlsson Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dirtysaucedonny</b></div><div>Change the 2020 pick to 2018, and take out Reinhart for Suzuki.</div></div>

pretty sure the 2018 pick belongs to DET from the tatar pick. I don't really want to see a roster player / pick in a Vegas trade. Give me the farm; Glass &amp; Suzuki are a top 10-12 talent in pretty much any draft class who put up a 100pt draft +1 years and will likely turn into good top 6 players and both would non-starters in this trade. Then two or all 3 of Brannstrom; could turn into a good player, harder to judge now but it's always good to see a 17-18 year old playing in the SHL, Hague; likely a 2nd round pick due to his size like when the sens drafted Gagne. Would take a couple years to see how he progresses but seeing 35g 78pt in draft +1 is a great jump from his draft year, Coghlan; went undrafted but put up respectable numbers last year and could jump right into an AHL spot with the Bsens and we need the RHD depth if Karlsson leaves. You win today, I might win tomorrow.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2018 à 15 h 11
Sujet: The better way of creating cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Green4D4Again</b></div><div>Nice analysis on this. I agree with most of this if not all of it.

It is more than likely that Hoffman is out on draft day. He has an incredibly cap friendly contract and can score 20 goals on any line on any team. We've seen that in Ottawa (thinking back when he was on a line with Pageau and Pyatt and then again when we was with Ryan and Turris and then again with Duchene and Dzingel). Ottawa can more than likely get a first and a 3rd for him at least. That saves almost 11 million in actual cap space over the next 2 years.

If Vancouver loses out on the ROR sweepstakes, I believe they'll go for a guy like smith or Pageau to fill their defensive centre needs. Not only that, both Pageau and Smith are a lot cheaper than ROR albeit a lesser quality player than ROR. That saves another good chunk of money moving either of those 2 players, if not both. Pageau = 6 million over 2 years and smith is about 9 million of 3 years. Both = almost 7 in just the first year.

I think the Ottawa Senators organization overvalues Ceci a little too much. He is... sub par and would be a great 5-6 d-man. Problem is, he is playing top 4 minutes and is doing a really bad job of it. All the stats are going against the kid. Paying him north of 3.25 million is a stretch. Trading his rights along with one of the guys mentioned above would probably sweeten the pot by a lot.

Gaborik is LTIR fodder for sure but Dorion words regarding him makes me worry. He'll be coming back as 37/38 year old and with a fresh new back scar from season ending surgery on a team with not a lot of drive for a playoff spot. I think Gaboriks days are numbered and will most likely end his career on the LTIR, saving a bunch of money for the Eugene in the process (as with what is happening with MacArthur). Burrows is going to ride the pine or be traded for a conditional 7th at the draft. I really don't know what was going through Dorion's head when he made that deal...

Karlsson is the main focus this off season. I don't see him being moved on the draft floor unless a team really throws Dorion an offer he just simply can't refuse. I think he'll make it to July 1 and be offered 10ish + million dollars. If he doesn't accept, he'll be moved come TDL, if not sooner, to a contending team.</div></div>

This is Spezza all over again. Paying Green, Michalek, Hemsky, Neil, Regin, etc and electing to move on from Spezza because of money. First line center or first pairing dman round and round we go
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2018 à 15 h 9
Sujet: The better way of creating cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Green4D4Again</b></div><div>Nice analysis on this. I agree with most of this if not all of it.

It is more than likely that Hoffman is out on draft day. He has an incredibly cap friendly contract and can score 20 goals on any line on any team. We've seen that in Ottawa (thinking back when he was on a line with Pageau and Pyatt and then again when we was with Ryan and Turris and then again with Duchene and Dzingel). Ottawa can more than likely get a first and a 3rd for him at least. That saves almost 11 million in actual cap space over the next 2 years.

If Vancouver loses out on the ROR sweepstakes, I believe they'll go for a guy like smith or Pageau to fill their defensive centre needs. Not only that, both Pageau and Smith are a lot cheaper than ROR albeit a lesser quality player than ROR. That saves another good chunk of money moving either of those 2 players, if not both. Pageau = 6 million over 2 years and smith is about 9 million of 3 years. Both = almost 7 in just the first year.

I think the Ottawa Senators organization overvalues Ceci a little too much. He is... sub par and would be a great 5-6 d-man. Problem is, he is playing top 4 minutes and is doing a really bad job of it. All the stats are going against the kid. Paying him north of 3.25 million is a stretch. Trading his rights along with one of the guys mentioned above would probably sweeten the pot by a lot.

Gaborik is LTIR fodder for sure but Dorion words regarding him makes me worry. He'll be coming back as 37/38 year old and with a fresh new back scar from season ending surgery on a team with not a lot of drive for a playoff spot. I think Gaboriks days are numbered and will most likely end his career on the LTIR, saving a bunch of money for the Eugene in the process (as with what is happening with MacArthur). Burrows is going to ride the pine or be traded for a conditional 7th at the draft. I really don't know what was going through Dorion's head when he made that deal...

Karlsson is the main focus this off season. I don't see him being moved on the draft floor unless a team really throws Dorion an offer he just simply can't refuse. I think he'll make it to July 1 and be offered 10ish + million dollars. If he doesn't accept, he'll be moved come TDL, if not sooner, to a contending team.</div></div>

In order to qualify Ceci he would have to be given a raise. Can't remember if it is 5 or 10% but it is part of the CBA. Choosing not to qualify (and him not electing arbitration) is also not good asset management. Ceci is looking at 4Mil or north of it this summer. Arb would be 1-2 max however.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2018 à 12 h 42
Sujet: The better way of creating cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>If you're going to move Pageau and Ceci, they could make up a package to Chicago for Connor Murphy. would solve your top 4 RHD conundrum.</div></div>

Ceci will likely get paid at least Murphy money if not north of 4Mil. Not sure Chicago adds Pageau's 3M salary on top when they have Toews, Anisimov, Schmaltz when they are typically tight to the cap. I have thought about a Murphy Ceci swap before. Similar player/Roles but hopefully Murphy plays better in Ottawa than Ceci has and his contract is likely better than what Ceci's would be.

Pageau could slide in behind Stepan and Strome in Arizona with Ceci for Demers too.

Could probably grab M. Green UFA on a shorter 3-4mil contract as well. Not sure if it's worth selling the farm for Hamilton or Dumba. (in the sense of adding him to the core of Karlsson, Chabot, Duchene, Stone, Hoffman) Would take offers of Jaros, Batherson, Brown, and a 1st rounder we don't have anymore. So add in one of Formenton, Wolanin, Luchuk in lieu of. Too much here that we would get burned on later.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2018 à 9 h 51
Sujet: Scorched Earth Rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>myteam</b></div><div>Rants are a good thing.... this is about perspective here. I believe the owner is cheap and won’t spend to the cap to acquire/ keep talent.
You are correct, one great D pair and one really good line right now. After this year??????
EK can leave.
MD can leave.
That is unless they are offered contracts such as EK 8 yrs 88-100m, MD 8 yrs 64m.
Sign M Stone now...... 8 yrs 60m.
Next is to rid the team of 3 terrible contracts.....
Ryan 7.25m 4 yrs
Gaborick 5m 3 yrs
CM 4.65m 2 yrs
That’s 17m of wasted, dead money.... get rid of that without selling the farm.
Hope the young players perform and create a good 2nd line????
The bottom 6 isn’t bad, with JPG and ZS anchoring the C. Moving MG and BR to the 3rd line would be a good thing.
The defense is suspect beyond EK and TC.
Goaltending is a ??? With a 37 yr old who just had a terrible year.
If young players develop and the owner opens up his wallet, yes it could be a fun team to watch.... but if EK and MD leave..... it will be painful. If they stay and the problems are not fixed, the team will go on as a middling team that might make the playoffs or might finish near the bottom.</div></div>

CM is/will be and Gaborik might never play again and both with be on LTIR (hopefully insurance is paying for them) and their contracts wont affect the cap or Euge's wallet. As mentioned, personally I don't want to lose assets to move Ryan. Goaltending could very much be an issue again this year and if Buffalo really is ready to throw away Lehner I'd be happy to see him return. I agree though, make up your mind. Keep Karlsson and the core and go for it or realize you have some good youth coming up and sell off to make that wave of talent larger.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2018 à 9 h 37