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Forum: NHL Trades22 mars à 21 h 20
Sujet: (ANA/VGK) - Kesler, Moore for Dadonov and 2nd Round Pick [REVERSED]
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheBoyDuddus</b></div><div>BLOws my mind that the finger was originally being pointed at Dorion. I'm going to assume that Dorion did pass the list on if it was required but has anyone confirmed that the onus is one him to provide the lsit and not on Vegas to ask the required questions before completing a transaction?

Obviously Vegas is still a new franchise but theyre held in very high regard so wrapping my head around the fact that they had Dadonov for 8 months and never bothered to check in on the M-NTC is mind-boggling.</div></div>tbf i'm just going based off of what I heard Elliotte Friedman report, which is that both Vegas and the league front office were led to believe that Dadonov either didn't have a M-NTC or that his agent hadn't filed the paperwork on time to fulfill the M-NTC. the most recent tweet on this is here:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Latest on Dadonov: Somehow, on trade call from Ottawa to Vegas (a team Dadonov could not block), Golden Knights and NHL were led to believe protection had expired/not filed properly. But, there is correspondence proving no-trade paperwork filed correctly (and on-time) June 30.</p>— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) <a href="https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1506311773791694850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">March 22, 2022</a></blockquote>


the thing is, as well, is that, mindbogglingly enough, there's no central registry for trade clauses, and it's a team-to-team thing, which means that both the league and Vegas had to rely upon Ottawa to report the existence of a trade clause. it depends on what happened during that initial trade call between Ottawa and Vegas:
- if no question was explicitly asked, and everybody just assumed Dadonov didn't have any trade clauses, that falls on both the league FO and Vegas for not doing their due diligence.
- but if Pierre Dorion was explicitly asked about a trade clause for Dadonov and he said no, either out of malice or neglect, that's <em>really bad</em> for Ottawa.
Forum: NHL Trades22 mars à 16 h 55
Sujet: (ANA/VGK) - Kesler, Moore for Dadonov and 2nd Round Pick [REVERSED]
an incredibly ironic sub-note about Vegas apparently not knowing of Dadonov's M-NTC: who is Vegas's capologist?

it's none other than Tom Poraszka, the guy who used to run <strong>General Fanager</strong>.

all of these contract details are <em>publicly available</em> on sites like PuckPedia and CapFriendly. it's already a running joke that the vast majority of team front offices run off of CapFriendly. how did Poraszka not go "hmm lemme just double-check Dadonov's contract on CapFriendly," see the big ol' honkin' <strong>M-NTC</strong> on his contract breakdown, and start asking questions from there?

(tbf, all of the blame seems to be pointing to Pierre Dorion and the Ottawa Senators, but, with the kind of credentials that Poraszka has, it's surprising that this wasn't on his checklist.)
Forum: NHL Signings17 mars à 15 h 3
Sujet: Pittsburgh Penguins signed Corey Andonovski (2 Years / $925,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>If we're looking explicitly at the "gamble" rationale, then why not burn that contract slot on a CHL player with an NHLe that's at least in the double digits? If it's a matter of take time and see what he does, why not offer him an AHL deal as opposed to an NHL contract?

Unless absolutely nobody wants to go to Pittsburgh any more, it's a bad contract no matter how you look at it. There were better-producing kids coming out of junior and other ways to get him into the organizational fold without consuming a name on the 50-man list.</div></div>eh. NHLe's not the end-all be-all statistic that definitely determines how a player will transition to the NHL. it's a model, and, as they say, "all models are wrong, but some are more useful than others." it's an educated guess, but it's still a guess.

there's only so much we, as internet schmucks, can say about how good a player is just from boxcar stats, and actually watching them play and evaluating their on-ice performance is also important. but none of us really have the ability to just casually watch tape of NCAA players online. with how low-risk this signing generally appears to me, i'm mostly defaulting to trust in the Penguins' scouting staff that they've seen something worthwhile in Andonovski's game. i really don't think this signing is going to backfire that badly for the Penguins.
Forum: NHL Signings17 mars à 12 h 28
Sujet: Pittsburgh Penguins signed Corey Andonovski (2 Years / $925,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>I recognize that the Penguins have a puddle for a prospect pool but signing a 2/3 ppg senior off of a very mediocre Princeton team doesn't seem like the way to actually fix that problem.

I'm voting no: I don't even think Andonovski is going to be a factor in the AHL.</div></div>I dunno, I think everybody said the same thing about Drew O'Connor when he signed, and O'Connor's at least an NHL contributor (and he will be more so once Zach Aston-Reese likely leaves in FA).

Bit dramatic to say he won't even cut it in the AHL, methinks. This is the reality of what contending teams that have spent all of their draft capital on NHL players have to do: go bargain-bin hunting in the free agent pool for market inefficiencies to exploit. And they didn't expend much of any assets outside of an SPC slot to get him, so, if he <em>is</em> a bum, the Penguins will shrug, say, "ah, well," and move on. It's generally a fine bet to make, imo.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 janv. à 18 h 4
Sujet: So the Coyotes have to hit the cap floor next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>yeah, but the precedent for those moves is the buffalo trade for johnny boychuk this year after the eichel deal. in order to get over the cap floor, they acquired boychuk (who was LTIRetired and had one year left) from the islanders for future considerations. accruing cap space is helpful and all that but not helpful enough to give up assets for it. the type of guys you should be going for to pick up assets would be like nick ritchie, lucic, monahan, somebody from the panthers, tyler johnson is a good one, etc.</div></div>I think it's low-key pretty important to have the ability to accrue cap space. Tampa's already in a <em>really bad</em> position. They're sitting at $89M in cap hit right now; while letting Pálat walk would free up $5.3M, Point's cap hit is going up by $2.75M for his extension, and there are no other big-ticket contracts coming off the roster. If Seabrook's $6.875M contract is gone, that puts them at $79.6M, which means now they have actual breathing room instead of faux-breathing room that just pushes the problem later down the line.

Also, sure, the Boychuk trade was the original precedent, but Bill Armstrong's clearly shown that he can extract additional assets to make GMs pay to get cap space.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 janv. à 17 h 53
Sujet: So the Coyotes have to hit the cap floor next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EsoYeezus69</b></div><div>I’ve bolded the main things I’ll go over.

1. Klingberg has asked to be traded therefore chances are that he’ll probably not be on the teams roster next year, Nill’s acts of stupidity has shown off and Klingberg was the first to speak out. He’s tired of this joke of a franchise (tbh I don’t blame him). So if he’s out it’s a blow to our d core or more or less our team, which lowers our chances of competing for the cup.

2. Depending on the teams success this year really changes your points, because if we aren’t in a position to win this year, chances are Pavs, Rads and other upcoming free agents will be sold because they don’t bring any value to our team in a long term stand point. If they don’t get moved Nill should certainly get the can (he already should’ve gotten it a long time ago), and if he doesn’t then my other comment gets discarded because I won’t care for this joke of a franchise any longer.

3. After we most likely flop to make the playoffs Nill/Bones should both get fired and then a new GM and Coach get the duties to guide this team through a re-tool. During when our cap situation will most likely be loose and picks will be one of the most valuable assets. Bishop’s cap is only for next year, a year which we shouldn’t be competing.

4. In the scenario we somehow make the playoffs and we keep our upcoming free agents, if Bishop was to be traded it’d probably be in a package to a team like Arizona looking to get to the cap floor, but instead of a dumping of contract it’d be for an asset, which would help a cup run.</div></div>If the Stars do end up moving towards selling assets, this all makes a lot of sense. The main idea was really "who are the Coyotes going to be targeting in order to gain assets?", and those teams are, often, ones trying to push for a Cup, but if the Stars aren't exactly moving in that direction, then, yeah, there would be less incentive to need to trade Bishop.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 janv. à 17 h 50
Sujet: So the Coyotes have to hit the cap floor next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>ladd, eriksson, ghost, beagle etc. are not injured and could not be put on LTIR. seabrook and bishop are both retired and on LTIR, and while on LTIR you can exceed the cap by exactly that amount, so functionally they don't count toward the cap. why would tampa give up a first round pick for literally nothing, just to get off LTIR? it doesn't add any additional cap space for them and they lose an asset. tyler johnson yes but the stars and the bolts would be fools to make this trade, it's closer to the boychuk situation than anything with the guys the yotes traded for last year</div></div>As long as you're using LTIR to go over the cap, you're not technically accruing cap space. It limits your ability to do things like add players at the trade deadline for a playoff stretch run. Having players on LTIR is manageable, but it's not ideal, and most teams would like to have that flexibility if they can get it. I'm pretty sure, for example, that the Lightning would much rather <em>not</em> have Brent Seabrook on their roster if they didn't have to.

Nobody would have predicted the Coyotes doing what they did with the trades they made before the trades happened, but now we know that GMs can get pretty desperate. I wouldn't say these are the <em>smartest</em> moves that a GM could make, but these are very reminiscent of moves that GMs <em>have</em> made in the recent past.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 janv. à 17 h 45
Sujet: So the Coyotes have to hit the cap floor next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Aussie_Blackhawk</b></div><div>CHI doesn't need to move the contract, we don't need to pay above a 2nd to move it after only a year removed from receiving the same price. We are a bottom 6 team and will gain more space come seasons end already.</div></div>Well, let's take a look at the math.
The Blackhawks right now: $86.5M
Out: $7M (Fleury), $4.5M (de Haan), $3.9M (Shaw) -&gt; $71.1M
In: $4.1M (Jones' extension), $0.5M (Murphy's extension) -&gt; $75.7M
I did admittedly forget about Andrew Shaw's contract coming off of the books in my original calculus, so this gives them $5.8M in cap space to navigate extensions to Kubalík, Strome, Dach, and some variety of starting goaltender. I guess that is doable without necessarily having to trade Johnson.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 janv. à 17 h 31
Sujet: So the Coyotes have to hit the cap floor next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EsoYeezus69</b></div><div>The number of money on Bishop’s contract goes against Dallas’s cap space = 0

The number of things we’ll give you to take Bishop = Blake Comeau if we feel nice, not giving a 2nd for nothing.</div></div>Depends on how pressured the Stars are to get under the cap. They're already $3M over the cap right now as is; I suppose, if they let Pavelski, Radulov, and Klingberg walk in free agency, then there's no incentive to move Bishop's contract.

But, if you took any sort of look at the Coyotes' trade history from last summer, there are at least a few GMs that had to make desperation trades and pay the Coyotes to take on bad contracts. So it's not as if Nill wouldn't consider it, because Bishop's playing career is done, and that's almost $5M just sitting on LTIR (which is not, ideally, what they want). The Stars are also trying to compete for a Cup, which means that they need as much cap room as they can get their hands on.
Forum: NHL27 oct. 2021 à 14 h 9
Sujet: 2021/22 NHL Season Discussion thread #2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>This is something I’ve been wondering as well, but I’m not sure it’ll happen. After all, the executives were responsible for protecting their player, reporting to the police, investigating/firing, etc. none of which happened. The players were “just” being assholes, not technically doing anything illegal, just morally wrong afaik. Unless it’s like, defamation? If toxic masculinity in hockey culture is gonna rear its nasty head and protect people who don’t deserve it, I think this is the point where it’ll start. It’ll get brushed off as regular insults/motivation or some bs. This objectively stupid culture may protect the likes of Chevy and Q as well but I really hope not, and I think following this report the league can’t afford to allow them to stay to protect their image, but in classic NHL fashion will then consider their work done. No I’m not cynical, you’re cynical 😤😤😤</div></div>you're right that I don't think the players will have any sort of legal action taken against them, but the court of public opinion operates differently (and still has some weight behind it).

do we look at the story of Andrew Ladd trying to revive his career in Arizona differently if we find out that he was party to the victimization of John Doe? do we start asking questions about whether Duncan Keith deserves to be a leader in the Edmonton locker room if he was also party to such things? does Jonathan Toews deserve to be captain if he was culpable? these are all valid questions that may need asking.
Forum: NHL27 oct. 2021 à 13 h 51
Sujet: 2021/22 NHL Season Discussion thread #2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Even so, if the findings are true he should not be allowed to stay no matter how much the Panthers want to keep him. Cause it could hurt the NHL's reputation and sponsors could go mmm yeah were out sorry cant support a league who keeps a guy like this around. Which in the end could hurt the league financially.

Still early but with the seriousness of the situation and the reports. I got a feeling hes gone.</div></div>there's definitely a lot of evidence stacked against Quenneville at the moment (not to mention that he said previously that he only found out this summer, a claim that was clearly proven to be false).

Cheveldayoff doesn't have as many condemning quotes surrounding him, but it's also fair to wonder if he should be put on leave while this all shakes out.
Forum: NHL27 oct. 2021 à 13 h 30
Sujet: Goats of this website
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsfan2121</b></div><div>Who is the GOAT of capfriendly. Like a user on this website. Give you candidates and favorites below</div></div>in terms of "not saying insanely idiotic things and getting into petty internet arguments," pretty much all of the mods were asked to be mods by Banks because they didn't say stupid things on a regular basis.

Banks also didn't really expand the moderator pool outside of him, Jarvis, and Ryan until late 2019/early 2020, largely because that was the point at which CF had gotten big enough/enough of a mess to require additional moderators. so I would personally nominate the mod team for all of their hard work in keeping this place as a pretty good overall space for hockey discussion without letting it devolve into whatever HFBoards is now. (in particular, F50marco is a pretty smart dude and was one of the first mods that Banks appointed.) I feel a little bad myself about not doing a particular lot of the duties mods are supposed to do, but I've also been sorting through my own personal problems over the last 2 years, so it's been a bit difficult to really get around to doing them, so hats off to the rest of the mods for picking up the slack.
Forum: Chicago Blackhawks27 oct. 2021 à 13 h 17
Sujet: Gutted and Done
no, that's fair, honestly.

sports fandom is a two-way street, as much as some people may or may not forget. your end of the bargain is to cheer for the team and support them, and their end of the bargain is to act and comport themselves in a way that deserves support. if they don't hold up their end of the bargain, you're well within your rights to say, "i'm done here."

this organization has done terrible things, no ifs, ands, or buts. the fanbase as a whole <em>should</em> be asking them why this was allowed to happen and why they should remain fans of this team. and the fanbase is well within their rights to say, "i'm outta here if you can't show that you can change for the better or if i don't believe that you can change for the better."

and condoning these things or coming up with excuses for them says a lot about the person doing such things, and not in a great way. (to be clear, i'm speaking simply as a commenter here and not as a forum moderator, but i would hope that the position of the Davis brothers and the rest of the CF mods is "this was a terrible and shameful thing to have happened".)
Forum: Montreal Canadiens29 août 2021 à 11 h 24
Sujet: Montreal Canadiens Season Discussion Thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>and they are literally right up to the cap at that point......... forget trade deadline acquisitions. Forget easy call ups when injuries happen. But more importantly and you agreed with me on this, what about next year? How much is Suzuki getting now? What happens when KK scores 41 points and demands 6M+ again next year?

IF KK signed an offer sheet on July 1st, I'd be wayyyyy more forgiving. The team had cap space, Danault wasn't coming back, etc. etc. After the team signs a bunch of players and training camp starts in a month? That put the team in a bind gong forward that they shouldn't have had to be in and didn't plan for.

The ramifications of this are far deeper than you think. The timing was terrible.</div></div>So what i'm going to say about this whole situation comes from a vaguely different perspective, and it is not particularly meant to be a "well, you're wrong, and here's why" sort of deal. But my take on this whole thing devolves into two related but semi-distinct points:

1) Jesperi Kotkaniemi should really be trying to make as much money as he can, at the end of the day, because the team he plays for is certainly going to try and bilk him out of as much of it as they think they can get away with.
It's that sort of line of thinking, that players need to pay their dues before they can make it big, that led to this current system of restricted free agency, along with this nebulous idea that a team and the players that play for it are one big happy family. Hockey is still a <em>business</em>, at the end of the day, and young players get the short end of the stick for hand-wavy intangible reasons that are frankly kinda dumb. You see the extreme end of this in the NFL, with non-guaranteed contracts and running backs that last, like, a few years before injuries and concussions ruin their careers. NFL players have to make as much money as they can with the short playing window that they have. Hockey players frankly should be doing the same thing, because who knows how long their window of opportunity will last to make it big in the NHL.
On top of that, the pandemic has really made it plainly obvious that sports leagues and sports team owners have a severe disdain for anything that is not <em>making money</em>, up to and including the health and safety of their players. Again, you see the extreme end of this in the NFL, where, last season, an entire <em>fifth</em> (as in, 20%) of the league's players wound up on the COVID-19 injury reserve list. Sports teams very much see their players as commodities as opposed to human beings, and, as much as hockey fans might not like to think it, this extends to the NHL, too. Frankly, I think this means that, conversely, players should have a more detached view of their attachment to a team, as well.
$6.1M is a <em>lot</em> of money, and definitely more than the 2-year, $2.5M AAV contract that had supposedly been extended to Kotkaniemi, per Elliotte Friedman; on top of that, Friedman said on the 31 Thoughts podcast that he's fairly certain that the Hurricanes have already discussed what a long-term contract would look like with Kotkaniemi and his agent, making it look like they've done their due diligence. Arpon Basu's reporting in The Athletic also seems to imply that Kotkaniemi, at one point, thought he would be getting a long-term extension from the Habs, but that that thinking changed. This sorta leads into my second point:

2) I think the relationship between Kotkaniemi and the Habs really badly deteriorated, but that it wasn't <em>just</em> on Kotkaniemi's end, and he thinks the Habs have done <em>him</em> dirty in some number of ways. I think Basu's reporting sums up this situation far better than I can, so I'll just drop a couple of quotes from the article he wrote about it:

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>Last season, Kotkaniemi struggled to find consistency, but it should be noted he didn’t benefit from any consistency either in terms of linemates or role. He was 20, remember, and while some would argue the onus was on him to make the best of his situation – it’s a fair argument – it could just as easily be argued the Canadiens did not put him in a situation to succeed.

Then the playoffs began and Kotkaniemi was a healthy scratch. When they ended roughly six weeks later in the Stanley Cup Final, Kotkaniemi was again a healthy scratch. He played a bunch of games in between, 19 to be precise, and produced eight points. He didn’t exactly set the world on fire, but he also turned 21 the day before the Canadiens lost in the Final with him watching from the stands in Tampa.

And then, once the playoffs were over, Kotkaniemi heard his general manager say this: “If I don’t have a choice, if I don’t see there’s a fit, then I’m going to have to rely and hope that KK gets the job done. That’s just the reality of being a GM in the National Hockey League. Sometimes, you can’t fill those spots, you have to be careful, and if it’s not there, you hope the young player’s going to take the next step. I don’t know that for sure, but that might have to be the case with KK.”</div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>The Hurricanes’ motives here are not purely hockey-related, but when they made that offer to Kotkaniemi, they showed more belief in him than the Canadiens had shown in nearly two years. His own GM told the world that the worst-case scenario for his team would be to settle on having Kotkaniemi be its second-line centre this season. So for those who were offended by the fact Kotkaniemi agreed to a contract that was so obviously an attempt to troll the Canadiens – with a base salary of $6,100,015 and a signing bonus of $20 as a way of getting both Kotkaniemi’s and Aho’s jersey numbers in the offer – perhaps Kotkaniemi was in a headspace where trolling the Canadiens was not all that disagreeable to him.</div>

As an aside (and this is more of a point 2a), I'm not particularly willing to extend any goodwill to Marc Bergevin in consideration of this situation, considering how recent events have played out and how he's handled them.
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