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Forum: Armchair-GM25 nov. 2022 à 13 h 45
Sujet: Bye mitch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyIsMyPassion61</b></div><div>What has Robertson and Sadin done? Bertuzzi has been in the league now for 6 years and has done a hell of a lot more than Robertson and Sandin. We're set for the foreseeable future at LD so we don't need Sandin. And sorry but Nicholas Robertson for the last time isn't his brother Jason so Leaf fans need to stop overvaluing him.

Seider more than likely is under team control for the next 15 years or so if not more, The very thing can't be said about Marner. So no reason for Detroit to even think about a Marner for Seider swap because it's just not reality.</div></div>

Bertuzzi has been in the league for 6 years now, yet he only has 190pts in 282 games, he's not that great, he's a late bloomer. Sandin and Robertson haven't done anything in the NHL but they are still young players with potential. So, Sandin+Robertson+ a 2nd is enough for a good top 6 established player, especially one like Bertuzzi who has really only had 1 season with top 6 production. If I thought Nick was his brother, I would be saying you're going to have to add to Bertuzzi to get him. The fact that Detroit doesn't need Sandin is a roster construction issue and not a trade value one. Plus, having a deep LD prospect pool doesn't mean a team can't acquire an NHL ready LD in a trade package. When it comes to Seider you talk about team control, but that's why Sandin and Robertson are in the trade, and Marner has 2 more years than Bertuzzi. So it's a tradeoff, one that I don't think Detroit would want to do. I'm certain that most executives aren't going to offer the Toronto package for Seider and Bertuzzi anyways.

What I'm saying is that <em>IF</em> Detroit does decide to trade Seider+Bertuzzi that's a package that they would take. Your saying it's not, so if you want then tell me what kind of package you would expect from any team, just don't ignore the facts and talk about team control/being established only when it comes to Detroit players.

The way I see the players in that trade:

-The best and most established player is Marner (top 20 player), he's a ufa after 3-years and has a high cap hit that will only get higher.
-The next best player, although only a sophmore is Seider, some might consider him a top 10 D, others will say he's just outside. I can say for sure he's not a top 5 D, so he's not a top 5 player.
-The next most established NHL player (he's not established as a top 6 player) is Bertuzzi, he's a line 2 player at best, he's 27 but upcoming ufa, seems like a late bloomer but he's had a rocky start this year so that's to be determined, he might just not be that good at all.
-Sandin: an 3rd pairing NHL d-man with top 4 potential
-Robertson: a young player that's too good for the AHL but needs to prove that he belongs in the NHL with the few opportunities that he gets (he won't get many chances as he's on a contender), he has top 6 (2nd liner) potential.


The issue for Detroit with the trade is more of giving up a rare commodity in Seider and perhaps a fit issue if you are correct about not needing a LD. However, they do have a couple of expiring ufas and a reclamation projection on LD, and prospects don't need to be guaranteed spots. For Toronto, they get a good RD that they always wanted great, and a ton of cap space. However, now they have another hole in their top 6, on their PK1 unit and PP1 unit. Perhaps Bertuzzi would fill the line 2LW hole, and perhaps he could replace Marner on special teams, but chances are he doesn't resign.
Forum: Armchair-GM25 oct. 2022 à 12 h 44
Sujet: Nexts years team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Calgary has zero interest in trading Tanev and I doubt he has any in waiving</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gmonwy</b></div><div>Add a 1st and it would be significantly closer. This is horrible</div></div>

Considering this is next year I don't think it's as bad as you guys make it out to be. Yes they are cup contenders and yes Tanev is a great player but if Kylington is the real deal on the left side, swapping Tanev for Liljgren and more wouldn't be a bad move. You would have a top 6 of Hanifin - Andersson Kylington - Weegar Zadorov/Mackey - Liljegren. Tanev next year will be 33 turning 34 and he has definitely seen alot of miles, still playing great though, but it could catch up to him. You see alot of players drop off significantly when they hit their mid 30s, not all but some. Then you have to consider the cap space side of things. As they sit not they are projected to have 1.7M in cap space with 4 UFAs and 1 RFA to sign. In this scenario they get younger, gain cap space and multiple assets.

Also Tanev is from Toronto so I doubt he has them on his 10 team no trade list.