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Créé par: GoldenChest2000
Équipe: 2024-25 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 17 juin 2024
Publié: 17 juin 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Losses: Henrique, Foegele, Erne
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
31 100 000 $
21 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 000 000 $
65 000 000 $
1950 000 $
42 200 000 $
31 250 000 $
54 000 000 $
1825 000 $
Transactions
1.
SJS
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. O'Connor, Logan
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (COL)
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de NSH
Logo de ANA
Logo de BOS
2025
Logo de EDM
Logo de COL
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
2026
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2188 000 000 $87 991 667 $3 550 000 $0 $8 333 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AG
UFA
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
AG, C
UFA
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
900 000 $900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
825 000 $825 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA
950 000 $950 000 $
G
UFA
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DG
RFA
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2

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17 juin à 6 h 42
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Is Walker that much of an upgrade from Ceci that you're willing to pay a 2nd to dump him? Imo that seems like poor asset management but I haven't watched much of either to know if the cost is worth it. Fwiw I think Chicago accepts.
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17 juin à 7 h 59
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You've overpaid in both trades and likely underpaid Walker. Kostin is very unlikely to be worth much more than a late pick (at which point I imagine SJ just keeps him for "beef") and Ceci likely shouldn't cost anything to dump but might because of perceptions. What a Ceci trade will look like depends almost entirely on finding a GM that values what he brings. If a GM likes him and thinks they have a spot where he can find success (either at 3RD or 2RD with the right partner), he should at least be moveable without cost. If not, I imagine the maximum cost would be a 4th which, in conjunction with the return he'd bring if traded at the deadline (~3rd), should give the acquiring team value equivalent to a 2nd.
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17 juin à 9 h 19
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Quoting: SupremeBone
You've overpaid in both trades and likely underpaid Walker. Kostin is very unlikely to be worth much more than a late pick (at which point I imagine SJ just keeps him for "beef") and Ceci likely shouldn't cost anything to dump but might because of perceptions. What a Ceci trade will look like depends almost entirely on finding a GM that values what he brings. If a GM likes him and thinks they have a spot where he can find success (either at 3RD or 2RD with the right partner), he should at least be moveable without cost. If not, I imagine the maximum cost would be a 4th which, in conjunction with the return he'd bring if traded at the deadline (~3rd), should give the acquiring team value equivalent to a 2nd.


How does a late 4th and late 3rd at the deadline equal a 2nd?
17 juin à 9 h 30
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How does a late 4th and late 3rd at the deadline equal a 2nd?

Notice how you left out the "late" on the 2nd? I reckon that a 3rd and a 4th hold similar (hence the '~') value to what a late 2nd holds.
17 juin à 9 h 38
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Notice how you left out the "late" on the 2nd? I reckon that a 3rd and a 4th hold similar (hence the '~') value to what a late 2nd holds.


I left it out because a late 4th and late 3rd equal a mid 3rd in value.
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17 juin à 9 h 45
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Sharks say yes to both trades. We'd gladly take Ceci for a 2nd. No need to include Chicago.
17 juin à 10 h 7
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Quoting: klassic
I left it out because a late 4th and late 3rd equal a mid 3rd in value.

Do you find joy in being pedantic about exact pick values? Since you seem to, let's dive into it.

The Atheltic's picks value chart suggests that a late 2nd coming from a team where EDM finished is worth between 1.1 and 1.2 whereas a late 3rd (from another playoff team) and a late 4th (from EDM) are worth between 0.5-0.7 and 0.3 respectively. So your choice to nitpick is at best based on a difference of 0.4 value points (25%) and at worst 0.1 value points (<10%) and, at the end of the day, equates to a difference of ~10 to 15 spots (a difference I'd say is sufficiently accounted for by my inclusion of the '~' symbol). And you chose to approach this by asking "How does a late 4th and late 3rd at the deadline equal a 2nd?" instead of just correcting me in the first place? Congrats on being both pedantic and inefficient, I guess.
17 juin à 12 h 5
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Do you find joy in being pedantic about exact pick values? Since you seem to, let's dive into it.

The Atheltic's picks value chart suggests that a late 2nd coming from a team where EDM finished is worth between 1.1 and 1.2 whereas a late 3rd (from another playoff team) and a late 4th (from EDM) are worth between 0.5-0.7 and 0.3 respectively. So your choice to nitpick is at best based on a difference of 0.4 value points (25%) and at worst 0.1 value points (<10%) and, at the end of the day, equates to a difference of ~10 to 15 spots (a difference I'd say is sufficiently accounted for by my inclusion of the '~' symbol). And you chose to approach this by asking "How does a late 4th and late 3rd at the deadline equal a 2nd?" instead of just correcting me in the first place? Congrats on being both pedantic and inefficient, I guess.


Since you want to get into specifics. Most people here tend to use PuckPedia's draft pick values and they have a better correlation to historical trades.

Pick 121 (4th) & Pick 89 (3rd) have a value of 2.4
Pick 64 (last pick of round 2) has a value of 3.15

To find a more equivalent value you be looking at an Early 3rd round pick. For instances pick 73 (9th pick of 3rd round) has a value of 2.41

So yeah, Late 4 + Late 3 = Early 3. Not a late 2.
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17 juin à 12 h 13
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2021 Canes & LA trade

Canes trade 72 (Early 3rd) & 109 (mid 4th) - Value 3.51
to
LA for 59 (late 2nd) - Value 3.69
17 juin à 17 h 5
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Avs decline
17 juin à 17 h 31
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Tough one for me as I like McLeod and think he would fit well on the Avs. If he had term I'd probably be all over it with LOC a UFA and due for a raise but they can probably lock LOC down to only a little more than McLeod is on now and McLeod is due a raise as well. For that reason I think the Avs pass.
 
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