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Équipe: 2024-25 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 14 juin 2024
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14 juin à 11 h 54
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OTT declines, Brady has FAR more value than igor
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OTT declines, Brady has FAR more value than igor


Explain
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14 juin à 11 h 56
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This team would have goalie troubles. No Igor to bail them out
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Gs have the fraction of the value of other positions, NYR would not even get a top 15 1st for him, especially when he wants 10M+ on his next deal and considering how volatile Gs are they do not hold much value no mater who they are
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Gs have the fraction of the value of other positions, NYR would not even get a top 15 1st for him, especially when he wants 10M+ on his next deal and considering how volatile Gs are they do not hold much value no mater who they are


I mean he’s been a top 5 goalie since coming into the league and a top 1 goalie in the playoffs. He literally steals games
14 juin à 11 h 59
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Rangers without Igor are probably a wild card team.
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14 juin à 12 h 2
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I mean he’s been a top 5 goalie since coming into the league and a top 1 goalie in the playoffs. He literally steals games


don't mater, Gs dont hold much value in todays NHL, their value comes as rentals TBH, Utah got a 1st+ for kuemper from COL as a rental (COL wont the cup with him), CGY should be able to get similar return from markstrom in hi final year of him current contract, right now, CGY prolly cant even get a 1st for him.
14 juin à 12 h 5
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don't mater, Gs dont hold much value in todays NHL, their value comes as rentals TBH, Utah got a 1st+ for kuemper from COL as a rental (COL wont the cup with him), CGY should be able to get similar return from markstrom in hi final year of him current contract, right now, CGY prolly cant even get a 1st for him.


Weird how Panthers are winning series with the help of a strong goalie while the Oilers have an AHL goalie in net

Goaltending makes a huge difference in the playoffs whether you like it or not
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Quoting: athrin
OTT declines, Brady has FAR more value than igor



Your kidding to get Igor they would have to package brady with a first and a prospect
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14 juin à 12 h 13
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Weird how Panthers are winning series with the help of a strong goalie while the Oilers have an AHL goalie in net

Goaltending makes a huge difference in the playoffs whether you like it or not


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Weird how Panthers are winning series with the help of a strong goalie while the Oilers have an AHL goalie in net

Goaltending makes a huge difference in the playoffs whether you like it or not


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Weird how Panthers are winning series with the help of a strong goalie while the Oilers have an AHL goalie in net

That’s what I’m saying for New York to even think about it they would have to package Brady a first and their top prospect
14 juin à 12 h 31
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Explain


Forwards have more consistently displayed value in both the FA and trade markets than Goalies.
14 juin à 13 h 18
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Weird how Panthers are winning series with the help of a strong goalie while the Oilers have an AHL goalie in net

Goaltending makes a huge difference in the playoffs whether you like it or not


rofl, bob did not get better, the team in front of him did, he was considered for the first 3-4 years of his deal the worst contract in the NHL, a perennial trade/buyout candidate, then the team in front of him got better, not him. Vegas won with a parade of 3 Gs, COL won with a rental, blues won with a rookie, you dont need a shesterkin to win a cup, in fact having a shesterkin hurts your chances of winning a cup.
14 juin à 13 h 32
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rofl, bob did not get better, the team in front of him did, he was considered for the first 3-4 years of his deal the worst contract in the NHL, a perennial trade/buyout candidate, then the team in front of him got better, not him. Vegas won with a parade of 3 Gs, COL won with a rental, blues won with a rookie, you dont need a shesterkin to win a cup, in fact having a shesterkin hurts your chances of winning a cup.


So I guess Bob having a shutout and saving 5 goals above expected in game 1 against the Oilers was all the defense?

Look at the previous cup winners lol they all got elite goaltending when it mattered (except the Avs)
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14 juin à 13 h 34
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Why would the Rangers consider this??
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Why would the Rangers consider this??


Rangers would never. I just wanted to see how Ottawa fans/Hockey fans reacted.
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So I guess Bob having a shutout and saving 5 goals above expected in game 1 against the Oilers was all the defense?

Look at the previous cup winners lol they all got elite goaltending when it mattered (except the Avs)


the 3 Vegas Gs are not even close to being Elite Gs, Kuemper is not elite and neither is/was Bennington in STL and ill say it again since you dont seen to be able to understand, Bob in FLA was considered the worst contract in the NHL for 3-4 years, a perennial buyout/trade candidate until the team in front of him got better.... **** BOS with Ullmark and Swayman got their ass beat in the first round the year they got like 131 points, in the cap era, a Brady will help a team win a cup more than a shesterkin
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rofl, bob did not get better, the team in front of him did, he was considered for the first 3-4 years of his deal the worst contract in the NHL, a perennial trade/buyout candidate, then the team in front of him got better, not him. Vegas won with a parade of 3 Gs, COL won with a rental, blues won with a rookie, you dont need a shesterkin to win a cup, in fact having a shesterkin hurts your chances of winning a cup.


If you think Bobrovsky meant very little and Korpisalo could have shut down the Oilers like Bob did you need to re-learn how to watch hockey. In games 1 and 3 Bobrovsky has made a dozen or so 10 bell saves that very few goalies in the league would get (Vasi, Hellebuyck, Shesterkin are the others at that level).

While it's possible for average goalies to get hot and go to the cup, the elite goalies take their teams deep year after year (if the team is good). Look at Colorado - 1 year wonders because of average goalies, same with STL and Vegas. Now look at Tampa, NYR and Florida with elite goalies - their success is year after year. The recipe for sustained success is an elite goalie, if you want to roll the dice and hope for a hot goalie then be ready for ups and downs that can easily include missing the playoffs.
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Rangers without Igor are probably a wild card team.


He had an off season & Quick suddenly looked like his old self. Nice try lol
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He had an off season & Quick suddenly looked like his old self. Nice try lol


If you subtracted Igor, they are likely borderline to make playoffs…and would be entirely dependent on power play. They are very average 5v5 team and without Igor, that’s trouble.
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If you subtracted Igor, they are likely borderline to make playoffs…and would be entirely dependent on power play. They are very average 5v5 team and without Igor, that’s trouble.


Yet with average Igor this year, we were 1st...
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Yet with average Igor this year, we were 1st...


They had like 40% of scoring chances in playoffs…hard to sustain that with bad goaltending.

Not really my concern…if you all want to move Igor, you should.
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If you think Bobrovsky meant very little and Korpisalo could have shut down the Oilers like Bob did you need to re-learn how to watch hockey. In games 1 and 3 Bobrovsky has made a dozen or so 10 bell saves that very few goalies in the league would get (Vasi, Hellebuyck, Shesterkin are the others at that level).

While it's possible for average goalies to get hot and go to the cup, the elite goalies take their teams deep year after year (if the team is good). Look at Colorado - 1 year wonders because of average goalies, same with STL and Vegas. Now look at Tampa, NYR and Florida with elite goalies - their success is year after year. The recipe for sustained success is an elite goalie, if you want to roll the dice and hope for a hot goalie then be ready for ups and downs that can easily include missing the playoffs.


rofl the ONLY what one would consider elite G that has won the cup recently is Vas in TBL, Vegas won it with a parade of 3Gs that are not even close to being elite, STL won it with a rookie, COL wont it with a rental.

you know **** about hockey if you think a shesterkin is needed to win a cup rofl, more team won cups without a shesterkin type G than with one.

ya bob stole game 1, guess what Korpi and Forsberg BOTH had games like that during the season, ALL Gs have games like that dont mean they vezina candidates. if shesterkin iss soo important, then why i are NYR not in the finals? why did they never win a a cup with king henrik? The team in front of the G is more important than the G that is why.
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the 3 Vegas Gs are not even close to being Elite Gs, Kuemper is not elite and neither is/was Bennington in STL and ill say it again since you dont seen to be able to understand, Bob in FLA was considered the worst contract in the NHL for 3-4 years, a perennial buyout/trade candidate until the team in front of him got better.... **** BOS with Ullmark and Swayman got their ass beat in the first round the year they got like 131 points, in the cap era, a Brady will help a team win a cup more than a shesterkin


Hill went on to post .932 save % and 2.17 GAA in 16 games lol say what you want about him but that’s elite level goaltending all playoff long

So basically you’re saying, the rangers win against the Panthers with Brady? Lol no shot. Hell Igor has more career playoff points than Brady does

Bob rocking a $10m cap hit and panthers can work around it. Tampa has Vasi at $9.5m (11.7% of cap) and work around it. Holtby in 2018 had 8.1% of the cap. Crawford 2015 had 8.7% of the cap. Quick 2014 had 9% of the cap

Goalies are a HUGE part of playoff success and you’re saying Tkachuk would be better/has more value. Barkov would shut him down…..
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They had like 40% of scoring chances in playoffs…hard to sustain that with bad goaltending.

Not really my concern…if you all want to move Igor, you should.


He seemingly is your concern and obviously rivals would like that but he puts NYR in contention no matter what we look like. Yes we acknowledge that we are Not the best team, yet with Igor we just proved we are top 2. Every NYR including Igor had an off year also, meaning we have a deep solid group. We'd still be rolling if Chytil had a healthy year. In reality, the last 2 teams that beat us in the semi finals were the 2 FLA tax haven teams where they pay stars 6-9.5m as opposed to 8-12m.
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rofl the ONLY what one would consider elite G that has won the cup recently is Vas in TBL, Vegas won it with a parade of 3Gs that are not even close to being elite, STL won it with a rookie, COL wont it with a rental.

you know **** about hockey if you think a shesterkin is needed to win a cup rofl, more team won cups without a shesterkin type G than with one.

ya bob stole game 1, guess what Korpi and Forsberg BOTH had games like that during the season, ALL Gs have games like that dont mean they vezina candidates. if shesterkin iss soo important, then why i are NYR not in the finals? why did they never win a a cup with king henrik? The team in front of the G is more important than the G that is why.


You can't even understand what I wrote properly - I said you CAN win a cup with an average goalie, but then you could just as easily miss the playoffs the next year. Having an elite goalie makes the teams success much more sustainable. The teams with elite goalies consistently are at the top of the standings.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a top end goalie that barely needs to elevate their game to steal wins in the playoffs and be a lock to make playoffs year in year out over having average goalies, barely make the playoffs some years and hoping they play well above their average to have a chance at the cup.

It's all about sustainability. You expect Shesterkin to play elite goaltending every year. Stick with Korpisalo and maybe he gives you a .910 SV% and into the playoffs and gets hot for a cup run or maybe he gives you 0.884 SV% and you're at the top end of the draft.
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