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Basis of a 3 team trade

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Publié: 14 juin à 11 h 0
Plafond salarial: 88 000 000 $
Journées à la saison: 185/186 (99%)
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Logo de Bruins de BostonBruins de Boston

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Ullmark, LinusBruins de BostonLNH-4 973 118 $011-------00
Laine, PatrikBruins de BostonProgr. AJLNH-5 018 871 $011---0000--
Holtz, AlexanderExempté du ballottageBruins de BostonLNH-889 360 $011---0000--
Merkulov, GeorgiExempté du ballottageBruins de BostonMineures-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (Logo de Bruins de BostonBOS)---010------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Laine, PatrikBruins de BostonProgr. AJLNH-5 018 871 $011---0000--
Laine, PatrikBlue Jackets de ColumbusProgr. AJLNH42%5 018 871 $011---0000--
Holtz, AlexanderExempté du ballottageDevils du New JerseyLNH-889 360 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (Logo de Devils du New JerseyNJD)---100------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial21 209 166 $173047239
Variation4 973 118 $-1-2-21-10
Final26 182 284 $ (↑)16 (↓)28 (↓)45 (↓)3 (↑)2 (↓)9000

Logo de Blue Jackets de ColumbusBlue Jackets de Columbus

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Laine, PatrikBlue Jackets de ColumbusProgr. AJLNH42%5 018 871 $011---0000--
Chinakhov, YegorBlue Jackets de ColumbusLNH-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (Logo de Kings de Los AngelesLAK)---010------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Holtz, AlexanderExempté du ballottageBruins de BostonLNH-889 360 $011---0000--
Merkulov, GeorgiExempté du ballottageBruins de BostonMineures-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (Logo de Bruins de BostonBOS)---010------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial23 775 000 $1532473614
Variation4 129 511 $010000
Final27 904 511 $ (↑)1533 (↑)473614000

Logo de Devils du New JerseyDevils du New Jersey

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Holtz, AlexanderExempté du ballottageDevils du New JerseyLNH-889 360 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (Logo de Devils du New JerseyNJD)---100------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Ullmark, LinusBruins de BostonLNH-4 973 118 $011-------00
Chinakhov, YegorBlue Jackets de ColumbusLNH-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (Logo de Kings de Los AngelesLAK)---010------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial19 123 603 $1534503611
Variation-4 083 758 $101-110
Final15 039 845 $ (↓)16 (↑)3451 (↑)2 (↓)7 (↑)11000
14 juin à 11 h 3
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Boston get - Laine at 5 mil cap hit and NJ 2024 1st

NJ gets - Ullmark, Chinakov and LA 3rd rd pick

Columbus gets - Holtz, Merkulov, Bos 2026 3rd Rd pick

I’m sure some extra pieces would have to be involved but just the framework of a deal
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Ullmark and a 3rd does not get Laine and a top 10 pick beyond delusional
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Ullmark and a 3rd does not get Laine and a top 10 pick beyond delusional


They’re also giving up Merkulov. Thats why its a 3 team trade
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They’re also giving up Merkulov. Thats why its a 3 team trade


Merkulov might not even get claimed on waivers
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Merkulov might not even get claimed on waivers


Thats funny. Obviously you don’t pay attention to him and thats fine. 5th in the AHL in scoring last year
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Ullmark and a 3rd does not get Laine and a top 10 pick beyond delusional


I think Devils fans are delusional in thinking Ullmark isn’t worth #10
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Thats funny. Obviously you don’t pay attention to him and thats fine. 5th in the AHL in scoring last year


guys like him go unclaimed every year
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I think Devils fans are delusional in thinking Ullmark isn’t worth #10


31 1 year left needs a huge contract sucks in playoffs has only played more than half a season once pass
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Yeah neither NJD or CBJ consider this.

In order the most valuable assets in this trade are:

10th overall
Laine 50%
Chinakov
Holtz
Ullmark
Merkulov
3rd
3rd

Boston is giving up the worst assets in this trade and getting back the best assets
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So Columbus gives up a ton and gets **** back? Gee, where do we sign? 😂
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Quoting: Schuyler
31 1 year left needs a huge contract sucks in playoffs has only played more than half a season once pass


Sucks in the playoffs.....damn, at least he would get the Devils to the playoffs.

Given Laine's circumstances and how things have gone for him the past few years.....it is safe to say that his value isn't sky high (been hurt the past 5 seasons, large contract, bit of a diva in the locker room and now in the player assistance program - that's a lot of baggage).

Does this trade get things done....not likely. To many moving pieces and the Devils, Bruins and Jackets are likely better off dealing with one dance partner, unless they need someone to take on part of Laine's contract.
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Yeah neither NJD or CBJ consider this.

In order the most valuable assets in this trade are:

10th overall
Laine 50%
Chinakov
Holtz
Ullmark
Merkulov
3rd
3rd

Boston is giving up the worst assets in this trade and getting back the best assets


You are crazy to think that at this juncture Holtz has that much value. Not alone that much value for a team that can afford to basically keep him in the farm and have zero impact on the team. Devils need a top 4 D man that plays heavy and a goalie. Holtz is expendable on that team and if you have watched him play at all.....he looks lost in the NHL.

Laine if he cleans up his baggage issues (and if he can play more than 50 games), is more valuable than the pick especially at a 5 per year vs his 8.7
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You are crazy to think that at this juncture Holtz has that much value. Not alone that much value for a team that can afford to basically keep him in the farm and have zero impact on the team. Devils need a top 4 D man that plays heavy and a goalie. Holtz is expendable on that team and if you have watched him play at all.....he looks lost in the NHL.

Laine if he cleans up his baggage issues (and if he can play more than 50 games), is more valuable than the pick especially at a 5 per year vs his 8.7


So Boston is getting an even more ridiculous fleecing.

Boston is giving up the worst assets in this deal and getting the best.

10th overall+Laine 50% could maybe be something Boston gets if they put a goalie on the table+, but that goalie would be Swayman, not ullmark
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So Boston is getting an even more ridiculous fleecing.

Boston is giving up the worst assets in this deal and getting the best.

10th overall+Laine 50% could maybe be something Boston gets if they put a goalie on the table+, but that goalie would be Swayman, not ullmark


Again, there are a lot of "if"s and risk associated to both Laine and the 1st. As for worst assets, its up for debate. I mean what a team needs dictates the value (unless you are superstar player) and in this case Holtz doesn't move a needle much for any team, Laine is a risk, the draft pick is a risk. Venza winning goalies don't grow on trees.

I am not saying this is the deal that gets it done (see my post before yours) but lets not under value assets and what they would mean to each specific team. Devils could easily part ways with Holtz and their pick and not bat an eyelash to get a goalie for their team and radically improve their playoff hopes.

As for the Blue Jackets who knows what Laine will get them given he is hurt every season, he is a diva, in the substance abuse program, large contract, its publicly known he wants a trade (pretty sure he has control of where he goes with his 10 team trade list) etc which are massive red flags/baggage to accompany his talent.
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Again, there are a lot of "if"s and risk associated to both Laine and the 1st. As for worst assets, its up for debate. I mean what a team needs dictates the value (unless you are superstar player) and in this case Holtz doesn't move a needle much for any team, Laine is a risk, the draft pick is a risk. Venza winning goalies don't grow on trees.

I am not saying this is the deal that gets it done (see my post before yours) but lets not under value assets and what they would mean to each specific team. Devils could easily part ways with Holtz and their pick and not bat an eyelash to get a goalie for their team and radically improve their playoff hopes.

As for the Blue Jackets who knows what Laine will get them given he is hurt every season, he is a diva, in the substance abuse program, large contract, its publicly known he wants a trade (pretty sure he has control of where he goes with his 10 team trade list) etc which are massive red flags/baggage to accompany his talent.


NJD would absolutely not move 10th overall "without batting an eye".

Value dictates value. What a team needs dictates where they use that value.

Let's not overvalue assets.

Linus ullmark is a rental goalie. Due to the variability of goalies, a 1 year goalie rental carries very limited value.
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NJD would absolutely not move 10th overall "without batting an eye".

Value dictates value. What a team needs dictates where they use that value.

Let's not overvalue assets.

Linus ullmark is a rental goalie. Due to the variability of goalies, a 1 year goalie rental carries very limited value.


So you assume because he has 1 year left and he gets to pick15 teams he is willing to take a trade to that he will automatically not resign? you dont think that part of a trade may have an extension already in play? Given the success rate of round 1 draft picks playing over 250 games is only like 28% there is a higher probability that the Ullmark signs to a team he has had a hand in picking. Even if you look at the averages all up (1969 to 2023) the 10th overall pick averages 35.2 games played in the NHL. There is a reason that most teams suggest stock piling picks as it can be a crap shoot (you hedge odds with more selections). The 1st round yields the most success of any round but it is still far from a guarantee.

If the Devils actually got a goalie they would be scary good, so I hope you are right and that they keep selecting in the top 20 every year of the draft. It literally is the true definition of insanity, watching them do the same thing for the last 12 years and making the playoffs twice.

Value doesn't dictate value at all unless it is a super star player. Value is determined by each team unless the asset is deemed universally spectacular - needs don't dictate where they use value, it dictates where they place value. For the Devils, Is there more value for a 10th over all pick or a goalie that improves their current team instantly and likely gets them into the playoffs?
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So you assume because he has 1 year left and he gets to pick15 teams he is willing to take a trade to that he will automatically not resign? you dont think that part of a trade may have an extension already in play? Given the success rate of round 1 draft picks playing over 250 games is only like 28% there is a higher probability that the Ullmark signs to a team he has had a hand in picking. Even if you look at the averages all up (1969 to 2023) the 10th overall pick averages 35.2 games played in the NHL. There is a reason that most teams suggest stock piling picks as it can be a crap shoot (you hedge odds with more selections). The 1st round yields the most success of any round but it is still far from a guarantee.

If the Devils actually got a goalie they would be scary good, so I hope you are right and that they keep selecting in the top 20 every year of the draft. It literally is the true definition of insanity, watching them do the same thing for the last 12 years and making the playoffs twice.

Value doesn't dictate value at all unless it is a super star player. Value is determined by each team unless the asset is deemed universally spectacular - needs don't dictate where they use value, it dictates where they place value. For the Devils, Is there more value for a 10th over all pick or a goalie that improves their current team instantly and likely gets them into the playoffs?


A rental is a rental.

There is more value in the 10th overall pick. Because you can use other assets for a goalie. If every team who needed a goalie paid through the teeth, why have none of these through the teeth trades ever actually happened? Are you claiming NJD is the only team to ever need a goalie?

I can tell you that stat about 35 games is complete bull****. 35x54 years would be 1900 games. Teemu Selanne alone played 1400+.

Every single 10th overall pick from 1985 to 2021 has played more than 35 games. The real average is around 500 games for a 10th overall pick.

Linus Ullmark is not eligible for an extension until after the draft, so no an extension could not be in play. 31 year olds "traded with extension" also isn't a real thing that happens to increase value. It's something fans say to pretend their rentals aren't rentals.

NJD in the last 12 years is literally the team who has paid the highest price for a goalie, 9th overall for 26 year old cory schneider, who was 1st in SV%, 1st in GAA, and 4th in GSAx over the previous 3 years (his comp would be swayman, not ullmark). How are you including the Cory Schneider years as somehow "cheaping out on a goalie".
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A rental is a rental.

There is more value in the 10th overall pick. Because you can use other assets for a goalie. If every team who needed a goalie paid through the teeth, why have none of these through the teeth trades ever actually happened? Are you claiming NJD is the only team to ever need a goalie?

I can tell you that stat about 35 games is complete bull****. 35x54 years would be 1900 games. Teemu Selanne alone played 1400+.

Every single 10th overall pick from 1985 to 2021 has played more than 35 games. The real average is around 500 games for a 10th overall pick.

Linus Ullmark is not eligible for an extension until after the draft, so no an extension could not be in play. 31 year olds "traded with extension" also isn't a real thing that happens to increase value. It's something fans say to pretend their rentals aren't rentals.

NJD in the last 12 years is literally the team who has paid the highest price for a goalie, 9th overall for 26 year old cory schneider, who was 1st in SV%, 1st in GAA, and 4th in GSAx over the previous 3 years (his comp would be swayman, not ullmark). How are you including the Cory Schneider years as somehow "cheaping out on a goalie".


Not many vezina goalies are available and a 10th overall pick is not paying through the teeth. Again its fine if the devils and other teams don't bolster in the East - makes other teams lives easier.

Yes the Devils got 3 good years out of Schneider on a underwhelming team. This is an upcoming team, different scenarios. I mean Freddy Andersen, Darcy Kuemper, Martin Jones, Varlamov, Lehner have all been moved for 1st round picks, most good goalies don't get traded unless its a cap causality as most smart teams understand how valuable the position is.

Never the less, its great if the Devils keep the picks and never address any of their team needs - that 10th overall pick to them they can be traded without batting an eyelash as long as it is to fill the holes to help them win now and for the next few years.
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Not many vezina goalies are available and a 10th overall pick is not paying through the teeth. Again its fine if the devils and other teams don't bolster in the East - makes other teams lives easier.

Yes the Devils got 3 good years out of Schneider on a underwhelming team. This is an upcoming team, different scenarios. I mean Freddy Andersen, Darcy Kuemper, Martin Jones, Varlamov, Lehner have all been moved for 1st round picks, most good goalies don't get traded unless its a cap causality as most smart teams understand how valuable the position is.

Never the less, its great if the Devils keep the picks and never address any of their team needs - that 10th overall pick to them they can be traded without batting an eyelash as long as it is to fill the holes to help them win now and for the next few years.


Except again, Linus Ullmark is a rental. You don't trade top 10 picks for rental goalies.

a late 1st is not the same as 10th overall, not even close.
 
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