We saw this exact model fail in the playoffs.

Which exact model?

Only 1 puck mover. This is actually worse because it doesn't have a healthy Liljegren.

Even if Ehlers, Toffoli and Monahan leave, the Jets have good enough replacements that they’d rather use than Jarnkrok for a 3rd, like Lambert, Chibrikov, Namestnikov on the 2nd line. A 3rd round pick for a 4th line center when we already have David Gustafsson and Rasmus Kupari doesn’t make much sense.

Need I remind you 1 series win is 2 less than Winnipeg since Matthews was drafted, don’t get silly.

McCabe fan be a puck mover. He’s a decent two way d man. If we add a puck mover that’s going to take money away from adding a defensive d man which we need more. Reilly needs to pick it up this season

Kampf is a better veteran and (ready to play now) option for the jets by far.

Need I remind you that the west has been significantly worse than the east for years prior to last season

Kampf also earns alot more money for more years, something Winnipeg doesn't want.

Just correcting your stat. Making excuses now.

Actually, the Caps do not accept. Caps have Dowd who does all those things (good defensively, wins FOs, plays PK) just as good if not better than Kampf and is cheaper. Caps have too many middle to bottom 6 forwards who are better and/or cheaper than Kampf. So no, Caps have 0 interest in Kampf.

Montour is available and he is actually a good puck mover. Liljegren is a good puck mover and still young where he can still develop into a true top 4 as every year he is one of our best dmen with advanced stats. Yes he is still inconsistent but defenseman often don't reach primes until 26-28.
Last the trades if traded at a deadline is good but we must remember that teams will do everything they can to reduce the price of a trade in the offseason. Kampf is more likely to generate a late round pick. Jarnkrok probably 3/4 the at worst a 5th. If it was the deadline then yes a guy like jarnkrok can probably get a second and Kampf get a 4th.
Back on pick moving route, Ekman Larsson is a decent pick mover, Dumba is even better than some of on our list. There may not be elite options but there are options. Even on trade market with Chychrun. A puck mover does not need to be elite like Makar just needs to be decent where the guy is capable of 30-50 points a year from the defense.

The best defenses have usually 3 good puck movers. They don't need to be elite but Florida has Ekblad, Montour, Ekman Larsson, whom all have good puck moving abilities. The ability to move the puck is also there to help get the puck out of your own zone. When a team has little options to help bring the puck up the ice it forces the forwarss to stay further back and makes it harder on the forwards to get on a rush. We saw that this year with the leafs. It's why they tried Klingberg on a 1 year deal. We don't need elite puck moving defenseman we just need guys whom have shown the can help bridge the gap from the defensive end to the offensive end and when in the offensive end can relay a good pass or shot off to create more space for the forwards.

Caps going up 5 mill this year bud. 2.4 is going to be an averages salary for a 4th liner now.

No excuses. The last 6 seasons a team from the Atlantic has either won or been in the SCF.

Dowd is also 34 years old and will heavily decline in all of those stats this year. Wiling to bet. Can you name a player that you have on the bottom 6 that you trust in all of those areas that were mentioned?

You're not gonna force feed Kampf or Jarnkrok to us XD. The 3rd round pick and cap space is more valuable to the Jets. They don't need either player.

That is literally an excuse.

Montour is a great option however the leafs need to get a defensive d man to play with Morgan Reilly. Lily has been wildly inconstant and he’s only been best on advanced stats because the amount of games he’s played. He’s injured all the time. 26-28 was about 10 years ago but now, if you’re going to be a good d man in the league today you show your talent between 23-25. Quinn Hughes, Cale makaar, moritz seider, Evan Bouchard. Just to name a few. Lily is also not a good puck moving d man, he’s far too slow and bad decision making. All of the trades I made are completely fair. Kampf can get a fourth NP and jarnkrok and a 5th for a third is perfect. Although I agree that some of the PMD are good options, key word SOME… we don’t have enough pie to go around this year as Tre would say.

Appreciate you letting me know what a puck moving D man is my guy👍. I’m not disagreeing with that. I’m saying that Reilly and McCabe can effectively move the puck out of the zone. So we do have a few PMD. However, the leafs lack defensive skills first and foremost. Tre needs to focus on a shutdown right shot d man to play with Reilly. It’s been evident for years. That won’t be cheap. There won’t be enough pie to go around this year if we want to re sign Bert and Domi

Dowd lol

As referenced in my first post, cheaper and better than Kampf. I'm sure you have great hockey knowledge, but I'm willing to trust Dowd (who has been one of the best 4th line centers in the last few years) doesn't completely lose all his skill in one offseason lol

A solid 3rd liner who can play any position and is a penalty killer and good defensively for 2.1 And the cap is going up. Plus you’re losing toffoli and monahan. You’re touched if you don’t take that trade kid😂

Not an excuse at all. Atlantic has been the toughest division to get out of for years. Between Tampa, Boston and now Florida. Other than this year those have been 2-3 of the top 10 teams in the league for the past 5 years

Like I said before, the Jets have like 5 players who are good, bottom six, swiss army knife, penalty killing 2-way players. A 3rd round pick to make it 6 when the Jets draft capital is already thin is a bit too much. The Jets should be saving draft capital for a big defense trade next season.

We don't need to resign Bert and Domi. I liked them but according to there demands, let them walk. Some say Domi is asking 5+. He is not worth anything close to that. Between 3 and 4 okay. Otherwise I would rather save money. Ditto for Bert. I can see him at around 4.5 million but any more let him walk as well. We have many young players all capable to replacing them well and saving money. McMann looks like an between jarnkrok and Bertuzzi. Cowan can most likely score more than 9 goals which is what we got from Domi. Knies will improve. Plus Robertson had our second highest EV scoring percentage on the entire team showing the deserves a bigger opportunity for scoring role. All these players will be minimum or close to minimum.

Not all but a lot of his compete level due to age.

Like who?😂 buddy just says a whole bunch of stuff that sounds great but can’t drop any names.

We absolutely need to resign them. Not only do they fit trelivings style that he wants but they also fit berubes style. You’re not going to put together a god first line without paying at least 5 mill for each first line player. Look around the league at the top tier teams. Plus the cap is going up this year. Cowan is simply not ready to play in the league yet. Domi also was top in the league for primary assists 5 on 5. Knows is a good player but not a first line player yet. Robertson is good but he just doesn’t fit on our team. He’s too small but I’d sign him and trade him because he’s valuable.

I am all for resigning them just not at insane salaries where we can easily replace them in the next year or so. Domi is not worth anywhere close to what some publications have posted. Some said he wants over 5 million. Where do pay a 9 goal scorer over 5 million. I see you have him at 4.5 million I think that is even too high for a 9 goal scorer because a lot of Domis assists were off of Matthews. He won't always be playing with Matthews bringing down his assists.
If only him at 4.5 and Domi scored more goals, I would be okay with it with hesitancy. Signing both players close 10 million is not smart allocation of our funds as we have a goalie, a top not defender and depth to sign as well for 18-20 million.

Well neither of us can predict the future, but point still stands, Caps won't be paying for Kampf as he is not needed

Lowry - who is much better
Niederreiter - much better, plays PK but not a centre
Appleton - better fit with the previous 2, not a centre
Namestnikov - Better offensively, Not as good faceoffs, center
Iafallo - Worse offensively, better defensively, more expensive, winger
Perfetti* - Good defensively.

Cheaper than Jarnkrok:
Chibrikov - Prospect who looked good with Iafallo. Nasty forechecker
Barron - cheaper, still young, Improving each year , can take face offs. Nasty forechecker.

If the Jets Penalty kill still sucks next season, the Jets will more likely search for a fully defensive centre, like Dowd, rather than a Swiss Army knife type player like Jarnkrok.

I think a team like Nashville would like him back for that kinda price.