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Date de création initiale: 27 mai 2024
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27 mai à 9 h 15
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Nope
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27 mai à 9 h 16
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OTT declines.
Either they keep Brannstrom or they don't.
If they aren't, they'll try to acquire a late pick for his rights or take back a decent bottom 6 guy making close to league minimum.
If they get no offers they'll let him walk.
What they WON'T do is give up a pick while moving Branny to acquire a guy making too much money for what he does.
27 mai à 10 h 28
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Pettersson is retiring a Canuck so....
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27 mai à 12 h 1
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Lmao not even close. Pettersson starts with Aho+ or with Nikishin+++

He’s definitely not being moved for Necas, a late 1st, a 2nd, and a good but not great prospect (KK costs a 1st to dump on us)
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27 mai à 12 h 19
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Lmao not even close. Pettersson starts with Aho+ or with Nikishin+++

He’s definitely not being moved for Necas, a late 1st, a 2nd, and a good but not great prospect (KK costs a 1st to dump on us)


Aho > Petterson, Nikishin for Petterson is LMFAO stop it. KK isn't a dump, and he was someone Vancouver insisted on having in this deal when it nearly happened at the deadline, stop.
27 mai à 12 h 25
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Aho > Petterson, Nikishin for Petterson is LMFAO stop it. KK isn't a dump, and he was someone Vancouver insisted on having in this deal when it nearly happened at the deadline, stop.


Pettersson >>> Aho it’s not even close. You’re the only person that thinks otherwise. Aho couldn’t even put up more points than Pettersson despite Aho having significantly better linemates at 5v5 and Pettersson playing injured since January. They also have very similar defensive metrics

If you want a player that is signed for 8 years and instantly becomes the best player on your team you’re gonna have to give up elite assets. Necas is a good piece but not good enough to headline the package. KK adds nothing. Late 1sts don’t add much
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27 mai à 12 h 42
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Pettersson >>> Aho it’s not even close. You’re the only person that thinks otherwise. Aho couldn’t even put up more points than Pettersson despite Aho having significantly better linemates at 5v5 and Pettersson playing injured since January. They also have very similar defensive metrics

If you want a player that is signed for 8 years and instantly becomes the best player on your team you’re gonna have to give up elite assets. Necas is a good piece but not good enough to headline the package. KK adds nothing. Late 1sts don’t add much


Aho >>>> EP40, stop. Aho had the same number of points as EP40 with worse linemates in fewer games. He also DOMINATED EP in the playoffs against better teams and better goaltenders. Aho also clears Pettersson defensively, because Aho gets much tougher matchups than Petterson does. They have similar metrics while Aho isn't sheltered nearly as much. So, Aho's better offensively with worse linemates, better when it matters most, and better defensively. Aho is better, end of conversation, stop it.

Once again, you're overvaluing EP40, great player, but Necas being the center point in an EP40 is literally what happened at the deadline. If EP40 had said he wasn't going to sign, he would have been dealt. Seeing that he could center a deal, you're once again out of your depth here.
27 mai à 12 h 46
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Aho >>>> EP40, stop. Aho had the same number of points as EP40 with worse linemates in fewer games. He also DOMINATED EP in the playoffs against better teams and better goaltenders. Aho also clears Pettersson defensively, because Aho gets much tougher matchups than Petterson does. They have similar metrics while Aho isn't sheltered nearly as much. So, Aho's better offensively with worse linemates, better when it matters most, and better defensively. Aho is better, end of conversation, stop it.

Once again, you're overvaluing EP40, great player, but Necas being the center point in an EP40 is literally what happened at the deadline. If EP40 had said he wasn't going to sign, he would have been dealt. Seeing that he could center a deal, you're once again out of your depth here.


So you think Mikheyev, Lafferty, Boeser, Hoglander, and Kuzmenko are better than Teravainen, Svechnikov, Guentzel, and Jarvis? Let’s do a trade of Mikheyev and Hoglander for Svech and Jarvis then

The Islanders were a bottom 2 team in the playoffs. And Pettersson struggled in the playoffs because he was playing hurt and mostly on a line with Mikheyev, Lafferty, Karlsson, and Hoglander who was on a cold streak
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27 mai à 12 h 54
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So you think Mikheyev, Lafferty, Boeser, Hoglander, and Kuzmenko are better than Teravainen, Svechnikov, Guentzel, and Jarvis? Let’s do a trade of Mikheyev and Hoglander for Svech and Jarvis then

The Islanders were a bottom 2 team in the playoffs. And Pettersson struggled in the playoffs because he was playing hurt and mostly on a line with Mikheyev, Lafferty, Karlsson, and Hoglander who was on a cold streak


I think Boeser and Miller are better than Jarvis and Teravainen... conveniently left the lotto line members out of that, despite Petterson having played for more than 130 minutes with Boeser and Miller, huh? Stop it. Try to score on Varlamov, Sorokin, and Shesterkin or Saros, Pickard, and Stuart Skinner?

EP40 also spent 30 minutes on the ice with the Vancouver powerplay... Miller, Hughes, Lindholm, and Boeser? Would you rather have that or Teuvo, Svechnikov, Guentzel and Burns? This isn't close come on. Aho outproduced him in PPG in the regular season, he straight up outproduced him in the playoffs, and did it with worse linemates. Stop it.
27 mai à 13 h 1
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I think Boeser and Miller are better than Jarvis and Teravainen... conveniently left the lotto line members out of that, despite Petterson having played for more than 130 minutes with Boeser and Miller, huh? Stop it. Try to score on Varlamov, Sorokin, and Shesterkin or Saros, Pickard, and Stuart Skinner?

EP40 also spent 30 minutes on the ice with the Vancouver powerplay... Miller, Hughes, Lindholm, and Boeser? Would you rather have that or Teuvo, Svechnikov, Guentzel and Burns? This isn't close come on. Aho outproduced him in PPG in the regular season, he straight up outproduced him in the playoffs, and did it with worse linemates. Stop it.


His most common linemates were Mikheyev, Hoglander, and Kuzmenko. You really think those three are better than Svech, Guentzel, Jarvis, and Teravainen? Even if you include Boeser who was his 4th most common linemate, he’s at best the 2nd best player of those 8, and you could easily put Jarvis and Svech above him as well

Despite having significantly worse linemates at 5v5, Pettersson outproduced Aho at 5v5 (both in total points and in P/60)
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27 mai à 13 h 31
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Pettersson signed for 8 years. He was injured and that’s why he struggled in the playoffs. They’re not moving him. That’s been reported.
27 mai à 13 h 34
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His most common linemates were Mikheyev, Hoglander, and Kuzmenko. You really think those three are better than Svech, Guentzel, Jarvis, and Teravainen? Even if you include Boeser who was his 4th most common linemate, he’s at best the 2nd best player of those 8, and you could easily put Jarvis and Svech above him as well

Despite having significantly worse linemates at 5v5, Pettersson outproduced Aho at 5v5 (both in total points and in P/60)


Actually, his most common linemates were Miky and Kuzmenko, yes, but then it was Miller and Boeser, and it's actually probably the case that he spent more time on the ice with Miller and Boeser than anyone else because of the powerplay. Mikheyev - EP40 - Kuzmenko played 182 minutes together, but the Lotto lines played 163, making it EP40's second most common lineup. Stop it. You want a source btw? Here

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_linecombo.php?select=F&forward=VAN%3A4901%3AELIAS%3APETTERSSON&games=2023-2024%3AR%3A99&period=ALL&situation=ALL

Miller and Boeser were his 2nd most common set of linemates. Inflated production. Aho had a better PPG, he was better defensively, he was better in the playoffs, and he did this in a MUCH more defensively demanding system. Aho is better, and you cannot argue this right now. Stop
27 mai à 13 h 35
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Actually, his most common linemates were Miky and Kuzmenko, yes, but then it was Miller and Boeser, and it's actually probably the case that he spent more time on the ice with Miller and Boeser than anyone else because of the powerplay. Mikheyev - EP40 - Kuzmenko played 182 minutes together, but the Lotto lines played 163, making it EP40's second most common lineup. Stop it. You want a source btw? Here

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_linecombo.php?select=F&forward=VAN%3A4901%3AELIAS%3APETTERSSON&games=2023-2024%3AR%3A99&period=ALL&situation=ALL

Miller and Boeser were his 2nd most common set of linemates. Inflated production. Aho had a better PPG, he was better defensively, he was better in the playoffs, and he did this in a MUCH more defensively demanding system. Aho is better, and you cannot argue this right now. Stop


The lotto line was Pettersson’s second most common line yes. But his most common linemates in terms of total minutes played were Mikheyev, Hoglander, Kuzmenko, and then Boeser

If you look at the line combinations you’ll see that Boeser was on 2 lines totalling 17.9% of 5v5 minutes and that Hoglander was on 5 lines totalling 26.8% of 5v5 minutes
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27 mai à 21 h 39
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I'm begging people to stop arguing with Caniac. It's basically like arguing with a 6 year old child that has only watched one team and decides that all of their players must be better then every other player


Because Aho is better than Pettersson....? He is...? Neither have you have given me a reason why this isn't the case. So, why don't you stop insulting me and instead give me a reason as to why you disagree? Or are you just upset that your precious starboy isn't as good as the star in a southern market?
27 mai à 23 h 8
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Because Aho is better than Pettersson....? He is...? Neither have you have given me a reason why this isn't the case. So, why don't you stop insulting me and instead give me a reason as to why you disagree? Or are you just upset that your precious starboy isn't as good as the star in a southern market?


Just this once I will argue this:

Elias Pettersson had a down season. With that down year Sebastian Aho had slightly better production. If you want to argue Aho had the better season that would be fair, but that does not account for Petterssons injury in the second half. Even factoring that in Elias Pettersson has been: More overall productive (83 point pace vs 97 point pace) a *slightly* worse goal scorer (36 goal pace vs 37) set up way more goals (46 assist pace vs 61 assist pace) the better even strength producer (68 point pace vs 55 point pace) even strength scorer (30 goal pace vs 27 goal pace) even strength playmaker (38 assist pace vs 28 assist pace) and has a *slightly* lower xGA on 5-5 (2.401 vs 2.469 xGA per 60) as of natural stat trick)

As far as line mates go for this season where they were pretty similar overall (Aho was better though) Aho played with (at 5-5) Jarvis, Teravainen, Slavin, and Svechnikov primarily. Pettersson's primary line mates were Hughes, Mikheyev, Hronek, and Hollander. Hughes is obviously the best player on this list but overall Aho easily played with better line mates. In summary, Elias Pettersson when healthy is way better then Sebastion Aho
28 mai à 7 h 55
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Just this once I will argue this:

Elias Pettersson had a down season. With that down year Sebastian Aho had slightly better production. If you want to argue Aho had the better season that would be fair, but that does not account for Petterssons injury in the second half. Even factoring that in Elias Pettersson has been: More overall productive (83 point pace vs 97 point pace) a *slightly* worse goal scorer (36 goal pace vs 37) set up way more goals (46 assist pace vs 61 assist pace) the better even strength producer (68 point pace vs 55 point pace) even strength scorer (30 goal pace vs 27 goal pace) even strength playmaker (38 assist pace vs 28 assist pace) and has a *slightly* lower xGA on 5-5 (2.401 vs 2.469 xGA per 60) as of natural stat trick)

As far as line mates go for this season where they were pretty similar overall (Aho was better though) Aho played with (at 5-5) Jarvis, Teravainen, Slavin, and Svechnikov primarily. Pettersson's primary line mates were Hughes, Mikheyev, Hronek, and Hollander. Hughes is obviously the best player on this list but overall Aho easily played with better line mates. In summary, Elias Pettersson when healthy is way better then Sebastion Aho


This is extremely disingenuous. EP40 has had one season where he outproduced Aho, and he does that will spending large portions of the season with Miller and Boeser. One thing about Aho is that his linemates have been in a blender his entire career. EP40 had way more consistency because Vancouver don't chop and change as much because they have a line that can score when it needs to with him, Miller, and Boeser.

You then mention EP40's injury, which is fair. However, Aho was playing hurt this season too. That game in Vancouver, ironically, that sparked the Canes team meeting that turned the season around? Aho was still dealing with side affects from the injury that knocked him out in October. And then, when moving onto the linemates, you say Aho's are better overall while Jarvis played the entire year with a torn rotator cuff and torn labrum, then played with a broken finger, Teuvo's hand doesn't close properly after a slash from JG Pageau so he's not nearly the player he was, and Svechnikov missed half the year. Slavin was healthy, and is the best teammate on either list, but he's not an offensively gifted player. Compare that to Hughes, Hronek, Miller, Boeser, Hoglander, and even Lindholm who EP40 played a lot with towards the end of the year on the Vancouver powerplay, and it becomes clear EP40 has way more to work with offensively.

If we then compare them defensively, this is a mismatch. Aho's GA/60 is 1.73. Pettersson's is 2.59, according to NST. Pettersson's isn't even bad, but that's a brutal mismatch. Given that Aho has that defensive credibility EP doesn't right now, he's outproduced him in almost every season, and he tends to do it with inconsistent linemates, I just don't see the debate here. It's Aho, and I think there's a gulf in class here. Especially if you then factor in their playoff performances, where Aho was a PPG. I thank you for at least using stats and facts to discuss this with me, as opposed to resulting to insults, but it seems we're going to agree to disagree here
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