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If Lou Lamiorello wants to spend what he got yesterday on Chychrun

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Équipe: 2024-25 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 25 mai 2024
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    26 mai à 13 h 9
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    Quoting: dgibb10
    Except Chychrun is ineligible to sign an extension until July 1st


    Yes.

    The team that trades for Chychrun can sign him in July.

    So, what's your point ?
    26 mai à 13 h 13
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Yes.

    The team that trades for Chychrun can sign him in July.

    So, what's your point ?


    “Traded with extension” isn’t a real thing that increases value meaningfully. It’s even less of a thing when said player is not even eligible to be traded with an extension.

    It’s a thing fans use to pretend their rentals aren’t rentals and overinflate the value of their assets
    26 mai à 13 h 17
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    The GM of the Isles is an octogenarian that spent a 1st + a 2nd on Pageau and then the #13 overall pick on Romanov.

    You don't speak for him.


    So, I assume, you as a Sens fan does? please.
    26 mai à 13 h 27
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    Quoting: dgibb10
    “Traded with extension” isn’t a real thing that increases value meaningfully. It’s even less of a thing when said player is not even eligible to be traded with an extension.

    It’s a thing fans use to pretend their rentals aren’t rentals and overinflate the value of their assets


    Yes, it does.

    Hampus Lindholm fetched a 1st + two 2nds after having a mediocre season with Anaheim and signed an extension with Boston the next day.

    And it doesn't matter that Chychrun needs to wait 5 weeks for the extension because the extension will already be ironed out and agreed to beforehand with the team that acquires him.

    There's no pretending here.
    26 mai à 13 h 32
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    So, I assume, you as a Sens fan does? please.


    I don't speak for him.

    But he's the GM of the Isles.

    And his trade history suggests that if he wants somebody, he pays the price for him.
    26 mai à 13 h 37
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    Yes, it does.

    Hampus Lindholm fetched a 1st + two 2nds after having a mediocre season with Anaheim and signed an extension with Boston the next day.

    And it doesn't matter that Chychrun needs to wait 5 weeks for the extension because the extension will already be ironed out and agreed to beforehand with the team that acquires him.

    There's no pretending here.


    Lindholm is a tier above Chychrun and Anaheim took on a multi year cap dump.

    And Lindholm had an already agreed on extension in place before the trade (the only delay was because of how retention works)

    There will not be an extension in place on Chychrun. So he will not get any added value ther
    26 mai à 13 h 55
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    Quoting: dgibb10
    Lindholm is a tier above Chychrun and Anaheim took on a multi year cap dump.

    And Lindholm had an already agreed on extension in place before the trade (the only delay was because of how retention works)

    There will not be an extension in place on Chychrun. So he will not get any added value ther


    Lindholm was not a tier above Chychrun when he was traded from Anaheim.

    And in exchange for taking a multi-year cap dump, Anaheim got a depth defenceman that was a former 1st round pick.

    And it is common for a team that is trading a player to give permission to seriously interested teams to negotiate an extension with said player.

    In Chychrun's case, the 5 week wait until July 1st is nothing more than a formality.



    And how do you know there will be no extension in place for Chychrun ??

    Why would the team trading for him not want an extension in place ??

    You're only going down this rabbit hole that has absolutely nothing to do with the Devils because I committed the cardinal sin of suggesting trading the #10 overall pick for Markstrom.
    26 mai à 20 h 30
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    1. If you think that Dorion was competent enough to place a value on a draft pick, then you're just as competent as he is.



    2. On March 1st of 2023, Ottawa had to leapfrog the following teams to clinch a wild card spot:

    Washngton
    Florida
    Buffalo
    And then either the Pens or the Isles

    To suggest they were anything but a heavy underdog to clinch a wild card spot at the time would be optimistic at best.


    1. He was... Otherwise he wouldn't have been hired in the 1rst place

    2. OTT had games in hand most of those teams...

    All OTT needed to do was win the games in front of them and they would have clinched... To suggest that they were heavy underdogs isn't a very well thought-out comment or recency bias
    26 mai à 21 h 37
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    1. He was... Otherwise he wouldn't have been hired in the 1rst place

    2. OTT had games in hand most of those teams...

    All OTT needed to do was win the games in front of them and they would have clinched... To suggest that they were heavy underdogs isn't a very well thought-out comment or recency bias


    1. That's because the guy that hired was Eugene Melnyk.

    I recommend reading these two pieces by Ian Mendes to get a good glimpse on how competent Melnyk / Dorion actually were.

    It's crazy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3243198/2022/04/14/eugene-melnyk-ottawa-senators/

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4802912/2023/11/03/ottawa-senators-pierre-dorion-fired/



    2. Ottawa did not have games in hand over Buffalo or Pittsburgh and those two teams were ahead of Ottawa in the standings on March 1st, 2023.

    https://www.nhl.com/standings/2023-03-01/wildcard

    Buffalo even had a game in hand over Ottawa.

    All Buffalo and Pittsburgh had to do was keep pace and stay ahead of Ottawa.

    Buffalo and Pittsburgh would then have clinched and Ottawa would have missed.

    And that's without taking into account the need to leapfrog Washington and Florida without stumbling.



    That made Ottawa a clear underdog to make the playoffs.
     
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