Detroit pays a 2nd and Copp for Crouse.

... What do you think?

So Detroit gets a better package by trading Marner than the Leafs? Copp is a cap dump bud

He's really not. But he sure as **** doesn't return Crouse with a 2nd attached lol.

Also not sure how you're valuing Crouse alone as a better package than 6OA++, but OK.

Utah trades Crouse, KOLYACHONOK, VEJMELKA and a firstt for one year of Marner @10.9 then at least 12 beyond that if he resigns? Is Bill Armstrong suffering from extreme cognitive decline?

33 points at $5.625M isn't getting you Marner despite how much I want the Leafs to get rid of the guy

Read the note attached to it…..

You may be forgetting Marner has a year left. No, I don’t think it means Coop is a good return, but Leafs get a new starter in net, decent D prospect, and 2 draft picks to use as trade bait to fill the offensive hole met…

Regarding Detroit, Copp had 33 points with Christian Fischer on his wing and as one of the best defensive 3C’s in the league

I get that the way the ACGM formatted it is odd, but you realize Detroit isn't getting Marner at any point in this trade at all, right?

... It's a 3 way trade. Marner isn't a Red Wing at any point. He formatted it that way because either ACGM doesn't allow three way trades, (Trade Machine does) or he doesn't know how to enter them.

The return for Marner is literally 6th OA, Detroit's 2nd, Copp, Vejmelka, and Kolyachonok. Marner goes straight to Utah.

I don't think we're getting a big return (unless extension is in place) either but it will definitely be better than Copp and a 2nd lol

UTAH gives: Kolyachonok, Vejmelka, Crouse, 2024 1st (#6)
UTAH gets: Marner

DET gives: Copp, 2nd
DET gets: Crouse

TOR gives: Marner
TOR gets: Kolyachonok, Vejmelka, Copp, 1st (#6), 2nd

Utah is getting fleeced. Detroit upgrades a spot without paying much for it. And Toronto is getting overpaid for a high AAV rental. I would nix the sixth pick, change the 2nd from Detroit to a 1st.

UTAH gives: Kolyachonok, Vejmelka, Crouse, 2nd
UTAH gets: Marner

DET gives: Copp, 1st (#15)
DET gets: Crouse, 2nd

TOR gives: Marner
TOR gets: Kolyachonok, Vejmelka, Copp, 1st (#15)

I’m not sure anyone commenting read the description… I said I don’t think any of the teams do this. It’s just a fun proposal.

He literally specified that the 6OA, Vejmelka, Kolyachonok package goes to Toronto lol.

Vejmelka - could be their best goalie, but doesn’t say much. He’s never had a save pct over .900. It has all the markings of a guy that was over marketed and thus overrated

Kolyachinok- he’s a 22 yo dman with 39 games… he isn’t gonna be anything special. Probably a 2nd pair guy in a few years at best, but would give the leafs something they can plug and play.

Crouse - I really like Crouse personally, but realistically, he’s a 2nd or 3rd line average winger, 20 goal, 40 point guy with an edge.


Marner - Yes a year left… yes ‘could’ be 12m… however, not every day you get a super marketable superstar… especially when you’re building basically a new franchise. You get a 100 point winger you can instantly sell 100k jerseys for and throw on your top line. Also, I said “with the framework of an extension in place”, meaning it’s either close or done. It’s absolutely not a UFA.

I did the extension is going to cost at least $12,000,000 that's a big NO

Yeah in three NHL seasons .897,.898,.900 behind one of the worst teams in the league Andrei Vasilevskiy would have a difficult time posting much more than .900 save% nice cherry picking. Your drastically over valueing Marner

Lindgren had a .911 with the Caps terrible defense… Vasi is not going sub .900 with the Yotes D…

Reading is fundamental he'd have a difficult time had he been on those teams. Washington had a better defense than the last 4 years of AZ. .899 the year before and didn't play enough to matter prior to that