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The only way a trade makes sense for the Sens

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10 mai à 13 h 15
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Take out Nemec
Take out Chychrun
Take out Palat (if Sens don’t want him).
Add 2024 1st
And add a Gritsyuk, Casey type (depending on need)
10 mai à 13 h 16
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Take out Nemec
Take out Chychrun
Take out Palat (if Sens don’t want him).
Add 2024 1st
And add a Gritsyuk, Casey type (depending on need)


Nope not a chance . Without Nemec it’s a non starter . You do not get Brady without him.

Sens aren’t rebuilding . They’re gonna want Nemec. There is 0 way around that
10 mai à 13 h 18
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The devils aren’t gonna trade Simon Nemec. I wish this whole stupid rumor of Brady Tkachuk to New Jersey would die. Mike Rupp and Spittin’ Chickets keep circulating this nonsense.

That being said, I think it would be wise for Ottawa to rethink their core. The current core of Tkachuk, Stutzle, Chabot, Norris (perpetually injured) and Batherson has accomplished next to nothing. I left Sanderson off, he hasn’t been on the team long enough.

It would not surprise me if Ottawa decided to strip their roster down to the bones in an attempt to rebuild. They’re under new management and ownership and new management probably wants a chance to do things their way.
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The devils aren’t gonna trade Simon Nemec. I wish this whole stupid rumor of Brady Tkachuk to New Jersey would die. Mike Rupp and Spittin’ Chickets keep circulating this nonsense.

That being said, I think it would be wise for Ottawa to rethink their core. The current core of Tkachuk, Stutzle, Chabot, Norris (perpetually injured) and Batherson has accomplished next to nothing. I left Sanderson off, he hasn’t been on the team long enough.

It would not surprise me if Ottawa decided to strip their roster down to the bones in an attempt to rebuild. They’re under new management and ownership and new management probably wants a chance to do things their way.


Nemec is the only way any team can get Brady. If it’s not a young stud , the Sens are never gonna give u Brady .

Sens will not be rebuilding but they may push their window another 2 years back.

Stutzle , Sanderson, 7th overall are the pieces they’re building around. And Brady.

They’re also not trading Greig, Pinto and Zub either
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Nope not a chance . Without Nemec it’s a non starter . You do not get Brady without him.

Sens aren’t rebuilding . They’re gonna want Nemec. There is 0 way around that


Nemec is a non-starter for NJD.
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Nemec is a non-starter for NJD.


It’s fine then you don’t get him, below 0 chance.

Y’all can keep dreaming about adding Brady or even the ones that pretend that don’t want him can convince themselves that Meier is just as good . But he’s not even on the same planet value wise and every GM knows it
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As a sens fan I would be devastated if this trade happened. I still don't know if Nemec is really that guy if I'm gonna be honest. Although I haven't watched him play much.
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Still not sold on Nemec as a player. But if the sens miss the playoffs again, I want Brady to play meaningful playoff hockey games because he deserves it. If that means we get fleeced in a trade then so be it.
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Quoting: csick
Nemec is the only way any team can get Brady. If it’s not a young stud , the Sens are never gonna give u Brady .

Sens will not be rebuilding but they may push their window another 2 years back.

Stutzle , Sanderson, 7th overall are the pieces they’re building around. And Brady.

They’re also not trading Greig, Pinto and Zub either


If we assume the player picked 7th overall needs 2 years to become a full time NHL player, I don’t think it makes the senators better. That year will be Drake Batherson’s contract year. He will probably want a raise or a chance at unrestricted free agency after. Even if the pick pans out, it feels like a treadmill of good players in and good players out without really accomplishing anything.

The Senators do have a lot of very talented players, but the mix hasn’t worked since 2017. It may be time to reconsider the plan of attack.

FWIW, I wish the Brady Tkachuk to NJD rumors would go away and I don’t think there’s anything to them outside of noise from fans.
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If we assume the player picked 7th overall needs 2 years to become a full time NHL player, I don’t think it makes the senators better. That year will be Drake Batherson’s contract year. He will probably want a raise or a chance at unrestricted free agency after. Even if the pick pans out, it feels like a treadmill of good players in and good players out without really accomplishing anything.

The Senators do have a lot of very talented players, but the mix hasn’t worked since 2017. It may be time to reconsider the plan of attack.

FWIW, I wish the Brady Tkachuk to NJD rumors would go away and I don’t think there’s anything to them outside of noise from fans.


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If we assume the player picked 7th overall needs 2 years to become a full time NHL player, I don’t think it makes the senators better. That year will be Drake Batherson’s contract year. He will probably want a raise or a chance at unrestricted free agency after. Even if the pick pans out, it feels like a treadmill of good players in and good players out without really accomplishing anything.

The Senators do have a lot of very talented players, but the mix hasn’t worked since 2017. It may be time to reconsider the plan of attack.

FWIW, I wish the Brady Tkachuk to NJD rumors would go away and I don’t think there’s anything to them outside of noise from fans.


If I was a NJ fan I’d want Tkachuk so badly . Y’all don’t understand how good he is lol.

He will get u 3pts , 16 hits and a fight in a game and protect all your smaller players.

A line of Tkachuk - Hughes - Bratt would be top 3 in the league. Meier is good but if you watch both, he’s nowhere near Brady .

Brady also had the highest % of his points being primary this year. He didn’t have much secondary assists, I think only like 14% of his points were secondary assists
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It’s fine then you don’t get him, below 0 chance.

Y’all can keep dreaming about adding Brady or even the ones that pretend that don’t want him can convince themselves that Meier is just as good . But he’s not even on the same planet value wise and every GM knows it


We’re good. This is all from some podcasters making stuff up. It’s not from NJD fans. We are just playing along.
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As a sens fan I would be devastated if this trade happened. I still don't know if Nemec is really that guy if I'm gonna be honest. Although I haven't watched him play much.


He is that guy

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Still not sold on Nemec as a player. But if the sens miss the playoffs again, I want Brady to play meaningful playoff hockey games because he deserves it. If that means we get fleeced in a trade then so be it.


Watch him…you will be sold.
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He is that guy



Watch him…you will be sold.


Watch Brady cuz no way you have .

3 goals , 10 hits , 8 shots on goal in 1 game.
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If I was a NJ fan I’d want Tkachuk so badly . Y’all don’t understand how good he is lol.

He will get u 3pts , 16 hits and a fight in a game and protect all your smaller players.

A line of Tkachuk - Hughes - Bratt would be top 3 in the league. Meier is good but if you watch both, he’s nowhere near Brady .

Brady also had the highest % of his points being primary this year. He didn’t have much secondary assists, I think only like 14% of his points were secondary assists


I never said he wasn’t a good player. The devils organization values its prospect pool and young players probably more than most teams do in the NHL. I think it would take a very serious offer for them to even trade Lenni Hämeenaho (the organization’s best or second best forward prospect depending on who you ask).

The armchair GM threads are usually very speculative. I do not imagine the devils trade away any major part of their core or future in this offseason. The questions for the devils offseason are the following:

1. Solve the problem with goaltending, likely in a trade. I’m not sure who they go after, but they will do something.
2. They probably need a veteran left shot defenseman that does not require time on the power play to succeed. If I was in charge, I’d try to pick off Brayden McNabb or Nicolas Hague from VGK given their cap crunch.
3. They need a 3rd line center to replace Michael McLeod (he’s gone, good riddance). They can probably pick someone up like Yakov Trenin in free agency to accomplish this.
4. If there is room after all of this, they need a 2nd line winger. This is where you’d say they need to trade for Brady Tkachuk. I think there are other options out there. I’d be interested if they could find someone who was 80% of what Brady Tkachuk is for 50-75% of his cost.
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Watch Brady cuz no way you have .

3 goals , 10 hits , 8 shots on goal in 1 game.


Good for him. He is an excellent player

His numbers over the past 3 years are only marginally better than Meier’s.

He is younger. And he does provide more goonery.

But we are not talking about a 100 point player here like it’s Matthew
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Good for him. He is an excellent player

His numbers over the past 3 years are only marginally better than Meier’s.

He is younger. And he does provide more goonery.

But we are not talking about a 100 point player here like it’s Matthew


The Sens have been almost out of it every year by November. If Brady played with Hughes and they were on track for a playoff spot the whole year, I would bet my whole house he gets 42+ goals 90+ pts
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The Sens have been almost out of it every year by November. If Brady played with Hughes and they were on track for a playoff spot the whole year, I would bet my whole house he gets 42+ goals 90+ pts


Alright well Meier didn’t play with Hughes so that isn’t a particularly relevant comparison.

Also we’re not paying extra for the fact that we have Jack Hughes.

He played last year (22-23) with Stutzle and Giroux on a team in the playoff race. He did not get 90 points. So why is the ask that of a 105 point player?
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He is that guy

Just curious who would you say would be a realistic NHL comp for Simon Nemec?

Watch him…you will be sold.
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Alright well Meier didn’t play with Hughes so that isn’t a particularly relevant comparison.

Also we’re not paying extra for the fact that we have Jack Hughes.

He played last year (22-23) with Stutzle and Giroux on a team in the playoff race. He did not get 90 points. So why is the ask that of a 105 point player?


If all you care about is production go trade for Marner lmao.

I would not trade Tkachuk for Marner 1 for 1 . You have bratt for point production. If Bratt doesn’t get pts he’s useless. Brady’s skill set is different , he’s still very valuable regardless of points
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Watch Brady cuz no way you have .

3 goals , 10 hits , 8 shots on goal in 1 game.


You need to stop operating under the assumption that NJD has an aging core and they’re desperate to try to make that core work. They are not desperate, most of the core is still 25 years of age or younger. They’re not going to be baited into trading away their best prospect at the most important position (right defense). They’re in a position where if they take on a player like Brady Tkachuk, it’ll be on their terms.
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If all you care about is production go trade for Marner lmao.

I would not trade Tkachuk for Marner 1 for 1 . You have bratt for point production. If Bratt doesn’t get pts he’s useless. Brady’s skill set is different , he’s still very valuable regardless of points


How many million dollars are you willing to pay for hits and goonery?
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Lol ask the Leafs
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If I was a NJ fan I’d want Tkachuk so badly . Y’all don’t understand how good he is lol.

He will get u 3pts , 16 hits and a fight in a game and protect all your smaller players.

A line of Tkachuk - Hughes - Bratt would be top 3 in the league. Meier is good but if you watch both, he’s nowhere near Brady .

Brady also had the highest % of his points being primary this year. He didn’t have much secondary assists, I think only like 14% of his points were secondary assists


He is not a need.

First, look at our cap in two years once Hughes and Nemec get their big deals.

Second, he doesn’t fill a position we need to fill. We need a dman, a 3C, a bottom-sized or two, and a goalie.

Third, while he adds attributes we are looking for (compete, physicality) it’s the combination of those things plus offense that makes him so expensive. We have the offense, we can acquire competitiveness and physicality more cheaply.

Fourth, we don’t want to destroy our depth in one deal for one guy. We had a ton of injuries this year, and lack of depth (and experience) was an issue for us at times.

Fifth, we are not trying to build a top-heavy team with a handful of big-$$ guys and a bunch of extras. We already have Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Meier, Hamilton at $7m+…and eventually Luke and Nemec too. There won’t be room left.

Sixth, giving up Nemec isn’t worth it. He is our best defensive dman right now, barely 20 years old. Good chance he is a top-20 dman before his ELC runs out.

Seventh, depending on what happens with that 1st, it could be used or traded for an important asset going forward. We would then be left with little ammo to fill our actual holes (that we need to fill)

Eight, people forget we were a 112-point team last year. While we probably weren’t that good of a team then, we also aren’t as bad as a team now as our record indicates.

Ninth, he is a winger. A darn good one that leaves his impact on the game, but still a winger. There are only so many minutes to go around. We were already having a tough time getting Meier power play minutes or rotating Mercer into top-6. Adding another big ticket one would ultimately depress the value and impact of all of them.

Tenth, the reality of today’s NHL is that cheap wingers will always be available in off-season.
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If all you care about is production go trade for Marner lmao.

I would not trade Tkachuk for Marner 1 for 1 . You have bratt for point production. If Bratt doesn’t get pts he’s useless. Brady’s skill set is different , he’s still very valuable regardless of points


If marner cost 8.2 mill I may prefer him to Brady Tkachuk. They’re in the same tier of player.

Tkachuk scores more and provides more physicality.

Marner is a much better playmaker
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He is not a need.

First, look at our cap in two years once Hughes and Nemec get their big deals.

Second, he doesn’t fill a position we need to fill. We need a dman, a 3C, a bottom-sized or two, and a goalie.

Third, while he adds attributes we are looking for (compete, physicality) it’s the combination of those things plus offense that makes him so expensive. We have the offense, we can acquire competitiveness and physicality more cheaply.

Fourth, we don’t want to destroy our depth in one deal for one guy. We had a ton of injuries this year, and lack of depth (and experience) was an issue for us at times.

Fifth, we are not trying to build a top-heavy team with a handful of big-$$ guys and a bunch of extras. We already have Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Meier, Hamilton at $7m+…and eventually Luke and Nemec too. There won’t be room left.

Sixth, giving up Nemec isn’t worth it. He is our best defensive dman right now, barely 20 years old. Good chance he is a top-20 dman before his ELC runs out.

Seventh, depending on what happens with that 1st, it could be used or traded for an important asset going forward. We would then be left with little ammo to fill our actual holes (that we need to fill)

Eight, people forget we were a 112-point team last year. While we probably weren’t that good of a team then, we also aren’t as bad as a team now as our record indicates.

Ninth, he is a winger. A darn good one that leaves his impact on the game, but still a winger. There are only so many minutes to go around. We were already having a tough time getting Meier power play minutes or rotating Mercer into top-6. Adding another big ticket one would ultimately depress the value and impact of all of them.

Tenth, the reality of today’s NHL is that cheap wingers will always be available in off-season.


You can literally roll:

Tkachuk - Hughes - Bratt
Meier - Hischier - Mercer
Gritsyuk - Helenius - Hameenaho

Sieg - Hamilton
Hughes - Marino
Vilen - Casey

You’re absolutely on drugs if you don’t take this lineip
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