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If I were to move Holtz

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Équipe: 2024-25 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 28 avr. 2024
Publié: 28 avr. 2024
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  1. Fehérváry, Martin
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  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
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  1. Holtz, Alexander
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
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28 avr. à 18 h 0
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Caps would be very interested in Holtz as well.

2024 10th OA, Holtz

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2024 17th OA, Fehervary, Malenstyn, Caps 3rd 2025
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Caps would be very interested in Holtz as well.

2024 10th OA, Holtz

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2024 17th OA, Fehervary, Malenstyn, Caps 3rd 2025


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Quoting: MW6
Caps would be very interested in Holtz as well.

2024 10th OA, Holtz

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2024 17th OA, Fehervary, Malenstyn, Caps 3rd 2025


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Updated to use this proposal


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What do you like so much in these Caps players?
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What do you like so much in these Caps players?


Fehevary: Big, Physical, Young, Cost Controlled. He's very good defensively and plays some of the toughest minutes in hockey. Pair him with Marino and you have a quality shutdown pair.

Malenstyn: Big, Fast, Physical, Young, Cost Controlled. Again very good defensively and plays some of the toughest minutes in hockey. Would also be interested in Dowd or NAK.
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Fehevary: Big, Physical, Young, Cost Controlled. He's very good defensively and plays some of the toughest minutes in hockey. Pair him with Marino and you have a quality shutdown pair.

Malenstyn: Big, Fast, Physical, Young, Cost Controlled. Again very good defensively and plays some of the toughest minutes in hockey. Would also be interested in Dowd or NAK.


If Mal was a secondary shutdown center of the future, like a McLeod, I could understand this, but breaking down the deal even if it were Holtz for Feh straight up...is moving down out of the top 10 for a 4th line LW really worth it? That's value of a 2nd rounder+ at worst.
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If Mal was a secondary shutdown center of the future, like a McLeod, I could understand this, but breaking down the deal even if it were Holtz for Feh straight up...is moving down out of the top 10 for a 4th line LW really worth it? That's value of a 2nd rounder+ at worst.


i don't think Washington would accept Holtz for Fehevary straight up. Maybe Holtz+3rd? You'd have to ask Washington fans if they'd do it.

That would be 3rd+3rd+Malenstyn+17th overall for 10th. seems fair to me.
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What do you like so much in these Caps players?


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Caps would be very interested in Holtz as well.

2024 10th OA, Holtz

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2024 17th OA, Fehervary, Malenstyn, Caps 3rd 2025


Just circling back.

What would need to be added in your eyes to a simple Holtz for Fehevary swap to make it fair?
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Fehevary: Big, Physical, Young, Cost Controlled. He's very good defensively and plays some of the toughest minutes in hockey. Pair him with Marino and you have a quality shutdown pair.

Malenstyn: Big, Fast, Physical, Young, Cost Controlled. Again very good defensively and plays some of the toughest minutes in hockey. Would also be interested in Dowd or NAK.


DEVILS NEED VETS,no more yung players, also there player out there that do what those guys do for cheaper. that dmen cant make passes you have terrible ideas, imagine wants Georgiev or being interested in him yeah buddy you need to leave off
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DEVILS NEED VETS,no more yung players, also there player out there that do what those guys do for cheaper. that dmen cant make passes you have terrible ideas, imagine wants Georgiev or being interested in him yeah buddy you need to leave off


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Just circling back.

What would need to be added in your eyes to a simple Holtz for Fehevary swap to make it fair?


I think you were pretty close with what you said above. Holtz + 3rd is ok to me. That 10th OA is really interesting to me though with the shortage of high end prospects in the organization so I would much rather do the full package.

What’s Holtz ceiling in your opinion? And how likely is it that he reaches it? And why would the Devils be ready to move him?
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I think you were pretty close with what you said above. Holtz + 3rd is ok to me. That 10th OA is really interesting to me though with the shortage of high end prospects in the organization so I would much rather do the full package.

What’s Holtz ceiling in your opinion? And how likely is it that he reaches it? And why would the Devils be ready to move him?


Yeah I figured so from Washington perspective.

Holtz ceiling is is probably 30-35 goal guy. Tyler Toffoli type I’d think, or like peak Jason Zucker.

He’s not a play driver, so he’ll have to be paired with guys who can put him in spots to succeed. But he can snipe, and he gets himself open incredibly well.

I think given the opportunity he’s pretty likely to reach it, at least the offensive side. Defensively he’ll never be elite, but if he can be a bit more cautious and patient and limit the dumb turnovers he certainly won’t be a liability imo. He’s always backchecking hard and his effort is always there.

In terms of why we’d move him, personally I think we’d regret moving him very quickly. But the thought process is he may need a new situation, whether that’s a new coach, or a new place.

Andrew Brunette was one of his biggest supporters, but Lindy Ruff and Travis Green gave him absolutely 0 leash. 1 bad turnover and he’d be sat for the game. Spent the second half of the year playing mostly with guys who had career highs in goals between 7 and 10.

As of last year Holtz was only available for Timo Meier 1 for 1. But Fitzgerald was critical of his turnovers during a press conference (rightfully so) and so the leash may be up with a team trying to contend that can’t give him top 6 opportunities to figure it out.

And for a cost controlled, quality young dman like fehevary, that’s a piece I’d personally be willing to move Holtz for if it is what it takes.
 
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