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Dump Georgie for a chiclet

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Équipe: 2023-24 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 21 avr. 2024
Publié: 21 avr. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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COL
    Chiclet
    ARI
    1. Georgiev, Alexandar
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)
    3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (COL)
    4. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (ANA)
    5. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (SEA)
    6. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (COL)
    7. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (COL)
    8. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (COL)
    9. Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (COL)
    10. Choix de 6e ronde en 2025 (COL)
    11. Choix de 7e ronde en 2025 (COL)
    12. Choix de 1e ronde en 2026 (COL)
    13. Choix de 2e ronde en 2026 (COL)
    14. Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (COL)
    15. Choix de 5e ronde en 2026 (COL)
    16. Choix de 6e ronde en 2026 (COL)
    17. Choix de 7e ronde en 2026 (COL)
    Détails additionnels:
    Could be any team.
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2024
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    2026
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2283 500 000 $77 562 500 $637 500 $0 $5 937 500 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    825 000 $825 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    12 600 000 $12 600 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
    AD, C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
    AD, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    825 000 $825 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    775 000 $775 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    825 000 $825 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    775 000 $775 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    775 000 $775 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    775 000 $775 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    775 000 $775 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
    AG, C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1

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    21 avr. à 22 h 21
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    Modifié 21 avr. à 22 h 27
    31 other teams accept your offer. Just one 1st would be enough for many teams.

    Terrible game by Georgiov. Colorado could be another team bidding against Toronto, New Jersey, etc., for Markstrom this summer.

    Marky for Georgiev + Ritchie + 2024 1st. Retention is negotiable.
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    21 avr. à 22 h 40
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    Quoting: MoxNix
    31 other teams accept your offer. Just one 1st would be enough for many teams.

    Terrible game by Georgiov. Colorado could be another team bidding against Toronto, New Jersey, etc., for Markstrom this summer.

    Marky for Georgiev + Ritchie + 2024 1st. Retention is negotiable.


    Gotta be NJD, right? No way they miss out a second time. Unless there going after an even bigger fish
    21 avr. à 22 h 45
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    Gotta be NJD, right? No way they miss out a second time. Unless there going after an even bigger fish


    Calum Ritchie will be better than Mercer or Holtz. A big right shot center like him is exactly what the Flames need most.
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    21 avr. à 22 h 48
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    Quoting: MoxNix
    Calum Ritchie will be better than Mercer or Holtz. A big right shot center with a high hockey IQ and playmaking skills is Calgary's biggest need.


    Would COL be willing to give that up? Cuz they could probably use a good centre.

    (Also not arguing, just curious)
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    21 avr. à 22 h 54
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    Quoting: Mikael_Smith
    Would COL be willing to give that up? Cuz they could probably use a good centre.

    (Also not arguing, just curious)


    Hard to say, they might especially if Calgary agrees to retain 50% which they might do to get Ritchie. If it was up to me I'd do it in a heartbeat.
    21 avr. à 23 h 48
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    Quoting: MoxNix
    31 other teams accept your offer. Just one 1st would be enough for many teams.

    Terrible game by Georgiov. Colorado could be another team bidding against Toronto, New Jersey, etc., for Markstrom this summer.

    Marky for Georgiev + Ritchie + 2024 1st. Retention is negotiable.


    I suggested Ullmark with retention for Georgiev + Manson (as a cap dump) + Ritchie over at https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/823499 and you said Avs decline. Here you are suggesting Markstrom gets back both Ritchie AND a 2024 1st possibly without retention. That seems like a pretty big gap. I'm interested in whether you think that:
    * I was incorrectly calculating the value for Manson as a cap dump (assuming Colorado is up against it due to Landy's return, I assumed that dumping the contract was a win for the Avs)
    * Markstrom is significantly better than Ullmark
    * Markstrom's extra year is worth a 1st rounder + more
    * Something else
    21 avr. à 23 h 52
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    After that performance you may not even get a chiclet.

    Imagine scoring 6 goals on Helly and losing? 😬
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    22 avr. à 0 h 3
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    Modifié 22 avr. à 0 h 11
    Quoting: tupty
    I suggested Ullmark with retention for Georgiev + Manson (as a cap dump) + Ritchie over at https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/823499 and you said Avs decline. Here you are suggesting Markstrom gets back both Ritchie AND a 2024 1st possibly without retention. That seems like a pretty big gap. I'm interested in whether you think that:
    * I was incorrectly calculating the value for Manson as a cap dump (assuming Colorado is up against it due to Landy's return, I assumed that dumping the contract was a win for the Avs)
    * Markstrom is significantly better than Ullmark
    * Markstrom's extra year is worth a 1st rounder + more
    * Something else


    Actually the main reason I said that back then is I didn't think Colorado needed a goalie but after tonight's game maybe they do.

    - No I don't view Manson as a cap dump. He's 32 years old but still worth his contract which only has 2 years left at a reasonable AAV. He could be included to balance the cap but that doesn't make him a cap dump.
    - The numbers are close but Ullmark's numbers are certainly inflated at least a little due to being on such a good team.
    - The extra year is worth something too.

    Also I did say retention was negotiable and added to that in response to another comment. To make that a bit more clear if it was up to me I'd do Marky at 50% retained for Ritchie + 2024 1st. Not sure Murray Edwards would allow Conroy to do that though. Heck if it was up to me I'd do Marky for Ritchie straight up too.
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    22 avr. à 0 h 19
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    Quoting: MoxNix
    Actually the main reason I said that back then is I didn't think Colorado needed a goalie but after tonight's game maybe they do.

    - No I don't view Manson as a cap dump. He's 32 years old but still worth his contract which only has 2 years left at a reasonable AAV. He could be included to balance the cap but that doesn't make him a cap dump.
    - The numbers are close but Ullmark's numbers are certainly inflated at least a little due to being on such a good team.
    - The extra year is worth something too.


    Just in case it wasn't clear, I didn't mean to sound like I was cornering you. I meant to try to understand someone else's outside perspective from my own. Thanks for your feedback!

    We'll have to agree to disagree on Manson. It doesn't need to be his contract that moves, but I think that they will need to move a valuable roster player that has term, because that is basically all they will have signed. I think they won't get much of anything back, but I don't think they'd need to attach picks to move it either. I see it as akin to the Bruins trading Hall for basically nothing last offseason, as opposed to a trade where picks need to be attached to move salary.
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    22 avr. à 9 h 58
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    Would COL be willing to give that up? Cuz they could probably use a good centre.

    (Also not arguing, just curious)


    No, they simply wouldn't.
     
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