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Équipe: 2024-25 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 21 avr. 2024
Publié: 21 avr. 2024
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Working a night shift and this random thought came to mind. I'm probably out to lunch with it though.

Why Boston does this?
They gain cap space while getting a top 4 defenseman for cheap. I would expect that it would be very difficult to find a replacement level player at a similar cap hit and term. This allows them to possibly go after Lindholm if desired or just extra cap flexibility for whatever they want. This allows them to stay very competitive, at least for the next few seasons.
I feel like Boston would rather a player now rather than futures, that's why I don't have them just taking the pick from New Jersey.

Why New Jersey does this?
They get their goalie. It allows them to take their time with developing goalies and gives them their true starter. It allows them to go into next season with Stanley Cup aspirations, as long as they don't lose everyone to injuries again.
I don't know if Ullmark has the value of their first this year, maybe something else needs to be added?

Why Detroit does this?
They get to keep building for the future and acquiring a pick to draft a high end young piece. I don't see Walman as a big part of the future, like most of this roster. They likely take a bit of a step back next season but I think it will be better for the long term.


Scratches are young players I could see making the team.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1925 000 $
2797 500 $
21 200 000 $
87 875 000 $
88 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 250 000 $
25 000 000 $
55 500 000 $
13 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Catton, Berkley
3950 000 $
Brandsegg-Nygard, Michael
3950 000 $
Transactions
1.
DET
  1. Ullmark, Linus
Détails additionnels:
Detroit gets Ullmark who they then flip to Jersey.
BOS
  1. Walman, Jake
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DET)
Détails additionnels:
Boston gets a cheap, cost controlled for two years, top 4 defenseman plus a pick.
2.
DET
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
Detroit gets a pick to keep building for the future.
NJD
  1. Ullmark, Linus
Détails additionnels:
Jersey gets their starting goalie which they have been looking for.
3.
DET
  1. Sturm, Nico
SJS
  1. Fabbri, Robby
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (DET)
  3. Choix de 7e ronde en 2025 (STL)
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2024
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Logo de DET
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2025
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Logo de DET
Logo de DET
Logo de BOS
Logo de DET
Logo de DET
Logo de DET
2026
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Logo de DET
Logo de DET
Logo de DET
Logo de DET
Logo de DET
Logo de DET
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2487 700 000 $88 681 806 $0 $2 850 000 $-981 806 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
DeBrincat, Alex
7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Larkin, Dylan
8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 7
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Kane, Patrick
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD
UFA
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Perron, David
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
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Compher, J.T.
5 100 000 $5 100 000 $
C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Raymond, Lucas
7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
AD, AG
RFA
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Rasmussen, Michael
3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 4
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Copp, Andrew
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
C, AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Exempté du ballottageBerggren, Jonatan
925 000 $925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA
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Veleno, Joseph
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
C
RFA
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Sturm, Nico
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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Fischer, Christian
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Exempté du ballottageEdvinsson, Simon
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
RFA - 2
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Seider, Moritz
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
DD
RFA
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
Husso, Ville
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Chiarot, Ben
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Roy, Matt
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
UFA
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
Lyon, Alex
900 000 $900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Määttä, Olli
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Petry, Jeff
2 343 750 $2 343 750 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
Exempté du ballottageJohansson, Albert
797 500 $797 500 $
DG
RFA
Catton, Berkley
950 000 $950 000 $
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
Exempté du ballottageKasper, Marco
918 333 $918 333 $ (Bonis de performance1 000 000 $$1M)
C
RFA - 2
Brandsegg-Nygard, Michael
950 000 $950 000 $
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
Exempté du ballottageMazur, Carter
905 833 $905 833 $
AG
RFA - 2
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Exempté du ballottageDanielson, Nate
950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance1 000 000 $$1M)
C
RFA - 2

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21 avr. à 7 h 47
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Yep Walman and a 2nd is worth 10th overall
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Ignoring the fact Ullmark isn't getting the 2024 pick because he can't be extended prior to the pick....the math as mentioned above is out there. I like Walman, but him and a 2nd don't get a 10th overall pick when using the transitive properties.
21 avr. à 8 h 57
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Quoting: Schuyler
Yep Walman and a 2nd is worth 10th overall


Quoting: NJDevils1317
Ignoring the fact Ullmark isn't getting the 2024 pick because he can't be extended prior to the pick....the math as mentioned above is out there. I like Walman, but him and a 2nd don't get a 10th overall pick when using the transitive properties.


Yeah I didn't really think so. Just wanted to try something different to try and get another high pick in this draft.
21 avr. à 10 h 12
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Yeah I didn't really think so. Just wanted to try something different to try and get another high pick in this draft.


This is a weird draft to want to do that in though... It kinda sucks lol.
21 avr. à 10 h 21
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Quoting: RazorSeider53
This is a weird draft to want to do that in though... It kinda sucks lol.


Quite a few players I like in the top 15-18. I think those top players are all quite good but it falls off per hard after them.
21 avr. à 12 h 33
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Quite a few players I like in the top 15-18. I think those top players are all quite good but it falls off per hard after them.


Honestly I’m more on board with packaging our 1st for Andersson.
21 avr. à 12 h 55
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I'd toyed around in an ACGM about doing something similar, using Ullmark to basically get a LD2 and a 2nd round pick. In that scenario it was Siegenthaler and a 2nd for Ullmark with a couple other pieces, who is a better fit than Wallman to play with Carlo I think. I don't think it's enough for Boston in this scenario.
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Quoting: RazorSeider53
Honestly I’m more on board with packaging our 1st for Andersson.


Where we pick now, it would depend who's available. We still have alot of organizational holes to fill. A lot of picks didn't pan out or likely aren't going to. We have good LHD depth in the system and that's about it. Unfortunately, it seems that's the easiest spot to draft and fill for almost every team. We don't have any potential first line forwards and even top 6 I'm a bit skeptical. Danielson, Kasper, Mazur and Buchelnikov are the only players I see as potential top 6 forwards and outside of Buch, none of those guys are really skilled offensive producers.
Also, my opinion anyways, I don't think Andersson would be the right target, even though I think he's great. By the time we are good, he will be 30 and making like 8M+. Wouldn't be my first choice but I can see the draw towards wanting to acquire him.
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I'd toyed around in an ACGM about doing something similar, using Ullmark to basically get a LD2 and a 2nd round pick. In that scenario it was Siegenthaler and a 2nd for Ullmark with a couple other pieces, who is a better fit than Wallman to play with Carlo I think. I don't think it's enough for Boston in this scenario.


Seigenthaler and Carlo would be a crazy good defensive pairing. My thought process is New Jersey will likely want to improve, not take a step back. They would be creating a hole to fill another. Their d-core is so young already, I don't think they would want to lose him. I also thought Walman would be a decent partner with Carlo, more offensive type but still good defensively.
I took this scenario as Boston and New Jersey both getting better and Detroit potentially taking a step back which I feel is alright for the team.
21 avr. à 13 h 6
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Quoting: beantownboy17
I'd toyed around in an ACGM about doing something similar, using Ullmark to basically get a LD2 and a 2nd round pick. In that scenario it was Siegenthaler and a 2nd for Ullmark with a couple other pieces, who is a better fit than Wallman to play with Carlo I think. I don't think it's enough for Boston in this scenario.


NJD cannot afford to lose Siegenthaler.

Luke hughes and.... who? Unless there are 2 quality LD on the way NJD can't afford to lose Siegs, even tho he struggled last year
21 avr. à 15 h 4
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If NJD would bite on that trade, then Boston is leaving a ton of value on the table for no real reason by just not trading with the Devils directly
21 avr. à 16 h 54
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Quoting: dgibb10
NJD cannot afford to lose Siegenthaler.

Luke hughes and.... who? Unless there are 2 quality LD on the way NJD can't afford to lose Siegs, even tho he struggled last year


Your exact words in response to my post back then was:

"I’d do that even tho I’d hate to see siegs go"

What changed?
21 avr. à 17 h 23
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Quoting: beantownboy17
Your exact words in response to my post back then was:

"I’d do that even tho I’d hate to see siegs go"

What changed?


I imagine that came from a value perspective (in which it is more than fair).

But I have since looked at the UFA LD class which is underwhelming, and this view comes from a team needs perspective.

The value is still fair I just don’t see an easy way to find not 1 but 2 quality LD that we’d need if we traded Siegs
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Quoting: dgibb10
I imagine that came from a value perspective (in which it is more than fair).

But I have since looked at the UFA LD class which is underwhelming, and this view comes from a team needs perspective.

The value is still fair I just don’t see an easy way to find not 1 but 2 quality LD that we’d need if we traded Siegs


Yeah and most likely, any LD the Devils go after, the Bruins would be after also with more cap
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Yeah and most likely, any LD the Devils go after, the Bruins would be after also with more cap


Currently NJD is looking at about 20 mill for a 2LD, Goalie, 3LW, Mercer, and 2 4th liners.
22 avr. à 10 h 50
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Ignoring the fact Ullmark isn't getting the 2024 pick because he can't be extended prior to the pick....the math as mentioned above is out there. I like Walman, but him and a 2nd don't get a 10th overall pick when using the transitive properties.


that isn't a fact, it's a subjective opinion.
22 avr. à 11 h 4
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that isn't a fact, it's a subjective opinion.


It is a fact he can't be extended until after the pick is made.
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It is a fact he can't be extended until after the pick is made.


absolutely. it is not a fact that he won't get a 24 pick.
22 avr. à 11 h 13
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absolutely. it is not a fact that he won't get a 24 pick.


How irresponsible could a team be to move a top 10 pick for no guarantees? We aren't the Senators going for DeBrincat
22 avr. à 11 h 16
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How irresponsible could a team be to move a top 10 pick for no guarantees? We aren't the Senators going for DeBrincat


are you naive enough to think that teams don't talk with players a few days before they're supposed to?
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are you naive enough to think that teams don't talk with players a few days before they're supposed to?


Teams can talk, but with no actual guarantees...why take the chance? No contract. No deal.
22 avr. à 11 h 25
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Teams can talk, but with no actual guarantees...why take the chance? No contract. No deal.


we have so much evidence that this is not how NHL GMs operate. why is this different?
22 avr. à 11 h 28
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we have so much evidence that this is not how NHL GMs operate. why is this different?


How much evidence do we have of a goalie going for a top 10 pick in an expiring contract. So there is that too.
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How much evidence do we have of a goalie going for a top 10 pick in an expiring contract. So there is that too.


who said anything about a top ten pick?
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
Teams can talk, but with no actual guarantees...why take the chance? No contract. No deal.


Quoting: Bcarlo25
we have so much evidence that this is not how NHL GMs operate. why is this different?


A couple things I thought would be obvious. Any team acquiring Ullmark would have a very good inclination that he would extend. He has a 16 team no trade list, that makes it very very difficult to trade him. If he is waiving, it's likely to a team he plans to extend and likely retire with at this point.
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