Alot of people are 50/50 on Bunting, I personally like him. I think him on Sid's LW could be a good fit. Im curious about Kotkaniemi since Canes fans say Drury is playing 2C now.

Even though this sends Guentzel within the division, which is less than ideal, I wouldn’t mind this deal.

Lol. No

Rentals don’t pull that value.

A cap dump, which we don’t really have, a b prospect and a 1st is the price. This is well above that

I did see Drury was playing 2C on DFO but figured it was more temporary. If it isn't, you're 100% right, Kotkaniemi makes a lot of sense in this trade, seems wasted in a fourth line role.

As a Leafs fan, I saw Bunting play a lot and one thing that is undeniable about his game is his ability to play well with elite players, so I would have to agree with a fit on Sid's line. Also... Bunting is from the SOO so you know Dubas would love to have him again haha.

That is absolutely not the price for Jake Guentzel, rental or not. Do your research on him. In what world is a cap dump part of the price? Do better. By the way, CAR would definitely able to resign him if this deal were made.

I think this return is very similar to the return Calgary got for Lindholm and personally, I believe Guentzel is a better player. Additionally, what is stopping Carolina from resigning Guentzel and this is an intradivision trade meaning there would be a premium.

Guentzel’s age and likely contract ask is stopping Carolina from extending him

That was my one concern in this trade, tried to incorporate a slight division-rival tax but could totally see another low-tier pick (a 5th or so?) included to sweeten it.

Do your research on trade deadline deals and Carolina being able to afford another 8+ million contract.

Cap dump is likely a strong word but use the horvat trade as a guide. It isn’t going to be a crazy return. Trade deadline deals aren’t that for pending UFAs unless your last name is Rutherford.

Bo Horvat is not Jake Guentzel. Why are you using that trade as a “guide” when the Lindholm deal just happened? Look at what Lindholm returned as a “rental”. Guentzel is better than Lindholm, and is the undisputed big fish on the market. A bidding war will ensue.

Guentzel would immediately be the best playoff performer on CAR’s entire roster. Even better than Aho on a points per game and goals per game basis. Want to finally get over the hump? Guentzel would be the guy to add this deadline. CAR would definitely be able to resign him too.

If you don’t think CAR management will spend to add a guy of Guentzel’s caliber because of their specific, overly cautious managerial history, then I could understand that. However, that doesn’t diminish Guentzel’s worth or value. That would just mean you’re not in on the biggest fish on the market.

I’m not saying OP’s deal is perfect, but to say that Guentzel, who multiple teams are bidding for and can resign, is worth “a cap dump, a B prospect, and a 1st” is asinine. Just because that’s what you want CAR to spend, doesn’t mean that’s what the player is worth.

DW isnt Jim Rutherford. Rutherford overpaid and he overpaid because he gave up on Kuz too early. That is the JR way. That doenst mean the Canes will overpay. Its quite the opposite honestly. We dont overpay nor do we get involved in bidding wars for pending UFAs.

I get your a fan and you overvalue your own players, its the fan way. its cool. pending ufas dont pull a large haul. Its a distressed asset (bunting was 2 months ago not anymore) , a 1st and a B prospect.

The kid Calgary got was a big time distressed asset. his scoring had taken a dump and his defense was atrocious, 0 effort. he was demoted to the 4th line, even sat. That isnt bunting. Nadeau is a better prospect than those defenders by a good margin. Then you have comparable 1sts. Then you add in you want a 2nd instead of a conditional 4th Calgary got? the value doesnt add up no matter how you spin it. Pending UFAs dont pull a 2nd line non distressed winger, a really good prospect, a 1st and a 2nd. It just doesn't happen.

it doesnt matter.
1. Carolina isnt coming close to touching that price. we only do 3rds and meh prospect for rentals. thankfully.
2. JG is going to a west team.

I will choose to ignore your passive aggressive assumptions and leave you with this. You’re citing OP’s proposed trade as if I ever once said that what he proposed above is the price for Guentzel. I never said that. In fact, I even said “I’m not saying OP’s deal is perfect”. What I did say is that what you proposed, “a cap dump, a B prospect, and a 1st”, is absolutely not the price for a player of Guenzte’s caliber, especially considering what Lindholm just fetched, and considering that he is the big fish on that market that multiple teams are vying for.

Again, that may be the cheap price that you want him for, but it’s not his value. Therefore, you won’t get him. I couldn’t care less what CAR is willing to spend at the deadline, which we all know has historically been nothing of significance. As I alluded to, we all have known they’ve been historically overly cautious and haven’t given their players the deadline bump that they have earned in previous years. Another thing that we all know is that they still have yet to get over the hump and win with this core. Ultimately, I couldn’t care less about their managerial style, or what they choose to do at all. I just know that “a cap dump, a B prospect, and a 1st” isn’t going to get you Guentzel. Take care.

Regardless of value (which varies for everyone but particularly Kotkaniemi) the Canes would need a center coming back if KK is traded.

Id do that