I'd have to think NJD declines this. Imo holtz alone for 1 mill retained Markstrom would be fair.

1st+2nd+Bahl+Holtz for Hanifin+Markstrom (1.5 mill retained) would be my counter for this

1st+Bahl+2nd for Hanifin, slight overpay imo

Holtz for 1.5 mill retained markstrom.

Not getting Howard

I hope Hanifin goes anywhere but TBL. Who cares about Howard, he’s not a Centre and TBL doesn’t have much to offer in exchange for Hanifin

I’d want 1st + Holloway + Ceci for Tanev with no retention to make a Trade with EDM

Rather take Vanecek back then retain on Markstrom. Definitely want a 1st if there is any retention though.

Meier doesn’t seem to be working out or is falling out of favour in NJD, I wonder if there’s anything that could be done on a Meier + Mercer + Holtz for Markstrom + Hanifin + Coronato type deal…. Could then look to move Kuzmenko, Sharangovich or Mangiapane out

Meier just got here (well, I guess a year now). He has had some ups and downs with injuries, but we got him for the long haul. Mercer is not on the market. Holtz apparently was made available for Markstrom, so gotta think he is still available.

Flames should try Coronato at center. He played there his last year at Harvard and looked quite comfortable.

Holtz for Markstrom, other pieces for Hanifin, pick or two for $$ is probably the conversation.

We tried Coronato at Centre and it don’t go well at all

If we keep Coronato, I don’t see the need or point in acquiring Holtz. Mercer is more of an interest and need given he can likely move to and play Centre for us

Hanifin’s playing so well, he should fetch a better return than Chychrun & Hampus Lindholm and at least what Elias Lindholm just brought us, but NJD Fans aren’t offering anything close for him and I’m not that high on Bahl. He seems like a decent sized 3rd Pairing D-Man, but I don’t see him becoming anything particularly great

Offer for Hanifin should start with a 2024 or 2025 1st + either Mercer/L.Hughes/Holtz AFAIC

What’s the deal with Mercer anyways. Why/How do you guys still value him so highly given the season he’s having. Seems like his play has regressed a bit this season

Luke Hughes lol. Not just luke but luke PLUS a 1st as a starting point.

Please come back to reality.

Rentals simply don't get anything close to what you're asking

NJD is happy to offer the Elias Lindholm comp of Vitek+2025 1st+Vilen+4th+Ethan Edwards

Again, Chychrun had 3 years of term.

And back to the Hampus lindholm comp

Vitek+1st+2nd+2nd+Stillman for 50% retained hanifin with a sub 7 mill extension in place

Problem is you value Kuzmenko as a Cap Dump when he was actually a Right Shot replacement need for CGY and is almost as good as Toffoli…

Chychrun is good offensively when he’s healthy but he’s nowhere near as reliable or good defensively as Hanifin, who doesn’t have bad knees like Chychrun either. Look at the season Hanifin is having offensively compared to what Hampus Lindholm was when he got traded

Only way we take Vanecek back is on a Trade for Markstrom with little to no retention or with both of them retained

Stillman, Vilen and Edwards are garbage prospects and you know it. I know Nemec and Luke Hughes are likely not available, but offer up something decent like Holtz, Mercer, Casey, somebody who would be Rated and A or B+ Prospect at least

Kuzmenko is a cap dump lmao. “Almost as good as toffoli” is a wild take. Again if you’ve managed to convince yourself he had positive value, we can send over Ondrej Palat if you wanna convince yourself a middle 6 winger making 6 mill is a + value asset.

These are guys more similar to the comps of Vaak and Bruz.

If you want to convince yourself guys like John Moore and Kuzmenko aren’t cap dumps, we’re happy to send Vitek or Palat and then 2 seconds after the trade goes through you’ll talk about how valuable they are.

We can send bahl or Stillman or Vilen and 2 seconds after the trade goes through you’ll convince yourself they’re elite.

If Bahl is “decent-sized”…what is big?

Mercer - Plays PP, PK, 1st line to 4th line, wing or center, plays in hard areas, offensive situations, defensive situations, never misses game, loved by teammates, coaches…just one of those guys. Holtz is more of offensive weapon who is still refining/developing his overall game. Holtz probably puts up higher point totals at their peak…but Mercer more valuable. If everyone is healthy, our offense should produce plenty…and we have Gritsyuk coming in a year. So Holtz more expendable.

Just a guess, but knowing the bond between Andrew Burnette and Holtz, I would not be surprised if we heard Holtz was linked to Nashville/Saros too.

(Also…I think Conroy wanted Holtz over Mercer anyway).

Kuzmenko 50 Goals and 99 Points in last 132GP = 0.75PPG
vs.
Toffoli 59 Goals and 115 Points in last 139GP = 0.83PPG

Brz has an A- Rating and Jurmo has a B+ Rating, the prospects you’re pitching are like D Rating and Vanecek isn’t a want or need for CGY whatsoever. Again, only way we take him back is in a Trade for Markstrom with a 1st + Holtz ++

A) the prospect ratings on here are awful and not worth any basis
B) Jurmo even in this has a projection of B+ MINOR LEAGUER. Not even 3rd pairing, 7th dman, but MINOR LEAGUER


Kuzmenko shot 27% last year. It’s a mirage. He doesn’t generate chances, piss poor defensively, among the slowest players in the NHL. Again I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you’re that easily fooled by unsustainable shooting%s

Vitek is a cap dump. Just like Kuzmenko was a cap dump (Calgary fans keep complaining about having too many wingers so clearly that wasn’t a need either), and just like the John Moore comp was a cap dump

Man you’re hard on Kuzmenko. It’s his 2nd year in the league and keeps up with the play no problem. Toffoli is slower and is a floater as well, but he is better Defensively and can Play Centre, so he’s slightly better

Agree to Disagree as always that Kuzmenko’s a Cap Dump. We’ll get him going again and make him another Trade Asset. Flames have lots of Wingers, but no Top-6 Right Shot Snipers since Toffoli & Lindholm both left and Coronato apparently needs more time

And again, think about what you’re saying. If Kuzmenko at 27 years old is worth MORE than 5.5 million in your eyes, just how much is Mercer, a still developing 22 year old right shot who’s frankly better than Kuzmenko, who can also play Center making 900k+4 years of RFA control worth.

Yeah, he’s Tall for sure. Can he bulk up to 225-235lbs Big!?

Andrew Brunette would have been a good option to Coach the Flames

Saros apparently wants Sorokin type money = $8.25mil/yr and isn’t playing as well as Markstrom this season

He’s 230 lbs

Well I never compared the two and I’m not disputing Mercer’s Value is Higher, but Mercer is still a Prospect with Promise who MAY do as great as Kuzmenko did last season, but Kuzmenko DID score 39 in his first NHL Season, so he has that under his belt

Flames needs a Centre and Defensemen to replace Hanifin & Tanev, so those are the primary wants & needs. Not Lottery Tickets or Crappy Not Likely To Be NHL Prospects

@CapFriendly really needs to get Player Heights and Weights updated

230 lbs

I’d argue Mercer is more of a sure thing than Kuzmenko. More proven NHL commodity (3 years vs 2) the highs of his production are sustainable, coming in reasonable shooting%s and primarily at even strength, faster, more versatile, much better defensively, can play in all situations.

Mercer is a very low risk asset considering you can just sign him on a bargain bridge deal, can play whereever in the lineup, and has been an absolute Ironman in terms of injuries so far

Just to be clear, Mercer was a target in exchange for Top-4 D-Man Hanifin with an extension

I definitely would prefer Mercer over Kuzmenko, I’m just saying Kuzmenko has some skill and has proven he can be effective in the NHL already as well

Based on packages that young stud RFAs get, imo I’d be looking at Hanifin+Markstrom with retention to move Mercer

Hanifin+Markstrom with 2 mill AAV retained

17 mill for 4 years combined of Hanifin+Markstrom

Vs (assuming a 4x4 extension to walk him straight to UFA)

17 mill for 5 years of Mercer.

Then we’d go the other way and Trade for a 1st + Top Centre Prospect for Hanifin and another 1st + Holtz for Markstrom with retention, which gives us 4x the chances of producing ourselves a another Valuable Player like Mercer