Jake Guentzel to Vancouver makes sense.
I can see this trade happening at Trade Deadline.

Out of all of those teams Only Carolina has the assets and the ability to sign JG to a long term deal. Neither Vegas or Edmonton have the cap space to sign him long term And Florida is better off re-signing Sam Reinhart than JG. And oh FYI Friedman also said that Detriot is the best landing spot for JG has we've the best assets and the ability to re-sign him and it makes more sense because we're a young up and coming team.

Canucks aren't paying that much for a rental

Picks gotta come down a few rounds to make Carolina consider. I'm not completely confident in trading the cost control of Necas for a rental Guentzel 1for1 and you want a 1st too? No, come on. You're on the stuff Ruzicka was

As I said, read the description on the post.

I do not believe that the penguins will trade Jake, but if you get multiple teams trying to acquire him it will undoubtedly drive up the price, specially given he's the most likely top get at the deadline.

If the Canes don't sign Teuvo in the summer (Which I sort of assume they wont) and trade Necas in this example, (thus not resigning him either) you're just about covering the price for Jake's new contract.

Also as I mentioned, division tax... it exists.

Did I miss Jake being healthy or having an extension signed? Canes might as well be out on this one, not going to pay the price someone else will.

They will do futures, not a roster player.

All I can tell you is get ready for the JR experience the next few years, lol

No one technically has an extension in place, so whether or not one is signed will be complete speculation. The belief is that whomever trades for him will work to extend him as well.

He's set to come back like a day after the deadline, no surgery. Every writer has already said it will have 0 impact on his value.

Carolina do not overpay and do not get involved in bidding wars. You also have to remember, Guentzel has a 12 team no trade AND has to agree to sign with whatever team acquires him. That lowers the leverage the Pens have. You're asking for a player who is of equal if not superior potential and half a decade younger AND a 1st? You're high. No. Get lost.

It doesn't lower the penguins leverage in anyway lol. For starters it's still 20 teams, but also if they don't have a deal they like that's also fine. Specially given the fact that again I don't think they'll trade him, I think they'll resign him.

The whole point of the post as I wrote was taking the teams that Friedman mentioned and adding the fact that I think they won't move him unless someone gives them a package they can't say no to.

I like the canes, and Waddell is easily a top 7 GM so what I'm going to say I mean with respect and not in any negative light, but they've been tagged as a cup contender for a while now and haven't produced. Swept in the 19 ECF, 4-1 to TBL in the 21 2nd round, game 7 to the rags in 22 2nd round and swept by Florida last year in the ECF. Feels like it's time for them to try and make a blockbuster deal given the amount of free agents they have to go for it (not saying they will by any means, just saying when push comes to shove, GMs make risky bets)

Not to mention losing Necas still Leaves Jarvis and Drury along with the canes solid prospect pool.

19, Pittsburgh cannot trade Guentzel to himself.

You mention the Canes as a cup contender, but in 2018-19, they were the cinderella run of the playoffs. They weren't expected to do anything in the bubble either. Then there's the 56 game season where they have 5 close games with a team 20 million over a cap, they go to 7 with the Rangers, and then have 4 1 goal games with Florida missing half of their top six for that run (Teuvo came back, but was not Teuvo, he was just a body). If you're clueless about why the Canes haven't won yet, that's your problem.

Even if they were going to make a blockbuster center, why would they move for a winger???? Svechnikov, Teravainen, Bunting, Jarvis, Necas... the wingers aren't the problem. 2C is the position the Canes would want. Unless you want to part with Crosby, you cannot offer that. Waddell has already said they will not pay any large price for a rental anyway, which means Carolina and Pittsburgh are likely not trading partners. If the Canes want him, just sign him in free agency when he walks away from the Penguins organization.

This is a ridiculous ask. If you want Carolina to move for Guentzel, nothing is coming off the roster to begin with. It'd be all futures. And even if that was a reasonable starting point, you'd be better off looking elsewhere. This is a completely flawed idea from the start.

Canes are out at these prices

What would you offer if you're Detroit?

Contenders are the obvious talking Pieces, but someone like Detroit/Buffalo/Ottawa/NJD (although they have Meier) also make sense, and may give up a bit more than a contender...

Berggren+Maatta you can have him back 1st and 3rd is more than fair for JG.

That's an easy no. Doesn't really fit anything they're looking for in return either.

Dubas is looking for the Claude Giroux offer, And this is pretty close to it.

I'd disagree, Tippett had much more upside at the time, and was younger.

Berggren spending almost all of last year in Detroit and now back in the AHL because they think he still has stuff to work on, not a great sign imo. 17 Goals last year with Detroit but can't land a spot on the team now.

Just not interesting enough for the pens. Plus There is absolutely zero need for Maatta at all. They don't want to take on term in a Jake deal unless it's for a player that helps now and over the next few years. That player would need to be a forward.

Just not the type of deal they'd be looking for in moving Jake.

They want immediate impact + youth. Dubas is committed to retooling the team in the summer to provide support to the core.

To me for Detroit it starts with someone like Veleno and a 1st.

Is the difference between a 70-80 point Guentzel and a 70 point Necas really truly a 1st? I get it’s within division, but that is quite extreme for a few extra points, especially when the difference between their ages and overall cost control is also as extreme. Maybe if it is a massive blockbuster with more pieces to truly balance out the value. Maybe something along the lines of Guentzel (50% retained, doesn’t have to be Pittsburgh retaining) and Rakell (1-1.5mil retained by Pittsburgh) for Necas and a 1st, with extensions guaranteed for both Guentzel (something like 6x7.75mil) and Necas. Obviously just an idea for a framework, could also have some prospect movement to even out each teams interests.

I thought you were on the “van wont trade for JG” train for a long time. That trade had been proposed before

Might want to bring your evaluation of JG down a lot.

Jg isn’t pulling necas by himself.

A. Canes wouldn’t re-sign him
2. Canes call on the price of everyone
D. Even a extended JG isn’t pulling that price

As my description said, If I'm Dubas I'm only trading Jake if someone overpays, hence the offers I made....

The canes are going to lose out on one or two of their RFA/UFAs this summer with how many pieces they have expiring, that's just reality.

Well Dubas can hold onto JG and let him walk or he can trade him for a usual 1st and A- / B+ prospect. His choice. Double overpaying for a rental is dumb