If the leafs were willing to make that deal it would already be done - no one is paying a first for unretained Tanev. The asking price is a 2nd and a prospect, that is likely with 50% retention unless the flames take back a similar contract.

Now if the deal also had Hanifin retained, the 2024 1st ++ would most certainly be in play...

Tanev will go for a first if he’s healthy just have to wait on teams to get desperate cuz there’s not much options for rd besides Lyubushkin and walker or someone that carries a huge contract like parayko

Tanev for a 1st would be cool but, I think it's unlikely without retention

Dallas has a need for cheap players up front if they want to compete for more than this year so moving Bourque or Stankoven for a rental isn't happening IMO, and Dallas can't afford Hanifin next year even if they had him for this year.

Switch Nosek for Vanacek and maybe NJD think about that trade but, I doubt the Flames would get a 1st + 2 high end prospects more likely it's one or the other. I personally hope Calgary keeps Marky and have Wolf back him up until Wolf is ready to start

No one is trading a first for Tanev, keep dreaming

If Tanev was going for a first, the trade would have been made already. No one is paying a first

You wishhhhh

It’s not entirely unreasonable, though you’re right but for the wrong reason. Conroy isn’t looking to get a first back for him.

All three teams say no., Just not any difference makers being traded by the Flames.

Conroy already agreed to Holtz for Markstrom…got Markstrom to waive to NJ…then could let get owners to approve retention. How would this sort of price become a possibility?

Devils add Casey, Nosek, 1st since they now get to pay full Markstrom salary?

The rumor was holtz was part of the package, not a 1 for 1 trade.

It was just Holtz

At this point I’d be surprised if we retain any money on any UFAs, Edward’s is cheap. Holtz for Marky straight up would be a disappointment from a Flames perspective, I’d expect more.

I can see how people would have been disappointed in Holtz by looking at his numbers, but the upside is huge (more than Sharangovich). Holtz unfortunately doesn’t get much playing time…and seems to always be in Lindy’s doghouse. But when he is on the ice, he is scoring at higher rate 5v5 than Hughes, Bratt, etc. His weakness has been a few turnovers in like the worst possible spots. He needs to get through that, and maybe build some confidence by playing on team where coach doesn’t make him the whipping boy. I think Flames fans would have been quite happy with him.

Nobody knows what the trade really was but most the “experts” suggest it was Holtz++

I have not seen that…do you recall which experts said it? Or have a link?

Have not seen anywhere any + mentioned other than what it would take for $$ to work. Pagnotta, Friedman, NHL radio guys, NJhockeynow guy saying it was Holtz for Markstrom. And Eric Francis said that Flames knew the market was not high for $6m goalies. It has been said that the Holtz part was agreed to…but the retention was not. Most have said Markstrom had been asked and agreed to trade. Although Frank Seravalli disputed that Markstrom ever “put pen to paper”.

One Calgary fan on here said they saw it was Holtz, 1st, 2nd and prospect but they heard that from someone in another forum.

And I saw someone else say it was bigger package that included Hanifin based on something Spitin Chicklets said. But I think that was just speculation.

Dallas isn't trading Bourque for Hanafin. Much less adding a 1st. Bourque is a need moving forward and Dallas can't resign Hanafin.

I’d 100% be happy to have him, but I just think we could probably get more for our star goalie. Holtz > Mercer imo, but Holtz for Marky with retention is a big underpay.

well you're gonna have to go get holtz++ from SJS then bc those "experts" suggested Holtz was in the Meier package

The way I read it was
Holtz for Markstrom
TBD for TBD retention

It’s unknown what they were talking about on retention…maybe $1m to $1.5m I am guessing. Deals with term don’t usually see much more.

So a final product could have been

Holtz/pick + Markstrom (retained)

Question is for me whether that included Vanecek or not…and depending on Calgary’s view on player and fact that they have two other goalies…might have seen different cost there. To Calgary it’s a straight cap dump that NJ needs to pay for. So maybe…

Holtz/Vanecek/pick for Markstrom (no retention)

Who knows? But it sounds like a bridge was burned so unlikely anything gets done now.

Yeah probably not, but I think it’s for the better as of rn, since we’re pushing for a playoff spot and Markys a big part of that. I would hope we’d trade him in the off season though, Wolfs getting impatient and needs the chance.

Off-season is always better time to move a goalie.

Yeah you’re just proving my point… nobody knows except the gm’s so don’t act like you “know” it was Holtz 1 for 1 lol