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Pick a Hanifin deal

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 7 févr. 2024
Publié: 7 févr. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Saw an earlier post that asked a similar question, but had very different packages, which made it hard to differentiate.


So am making a new trades. In the scenario, Calgary asks for one NHL ready dman, one dman prospect with potential and a 1st round pick (since Arizona's pick is currently in top-10, I replace with two 2nds).

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-- CGY gives....Noah Hanifin (50% retained)

In exchange for....

-- ARI gives......JJ Moser....................Cal Thomas..........2024 2nd round pick (#40), 2nd round pick (#43)
-- BOS gives....Mason Lohrei .........Alec Regula...........2025 1st round pick
-- EDM gives...Philip Broberg ........Phil Kemp.............2024 1st round pick (currently ~ #23-24)
-- LAK gives.....Jordan Spence .......Jacob Moverare....2024 1st round pick (currently ~ #18-20)
-- NJD gives.....Kevin Bahl...............Charlie Leddy.......2024 1st round pick (currently ~ #13-15)
-- NYI gives.....Samuel Bolduc........Calle Odelius........2024 1st round pick (currently ~ #14-16)
-- NYR gives....Zac Jones.................Drew Fortescue...2024 1st round pick (currently ~ #25-29)
-- TOR gives....Timothy Liljegren...Mike Koster..........2024 1st round pick (currently ~ #21-22)

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I don't know if these are all right teams or not or if this is the type of package CGY wants or not, but I just thought it would be easier to compare packages that were more similar. I am sure CGY fans can give better ideas at what type of return better fits their team (ie, do they want forward in return; more in pick value, less in player value; and so on)
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CGY
  1. Moser, J.J.
  2. Thomas, Cal [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (ARI)
Détails additionnels:
Picks #40, #43
ARI
    Noah Hanifin (50%)
    2.
    CGY
    1. Lohrei, Mason
    2. Regula, Alec
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
    Détails additionnels:
    2025 pick
    BOS
      Noah Hanifin (50%)
      3.
      CGY
      1. Broberg, Philip
      2. Kemp, Philip
      3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
      Détails additionnels:
      Pick #24
      EDM
        Noah Hanifin (50%)
        4.
        CGY
        1. Moverare, Jacob
        2. Spence, Jordan
        3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (LAK)
        Détails additionnels:
        Pick #20
        LAK
          Noah Hanifin (50%)
          5.
          CGY
          1. Bahl, Kevin
          2. Leddy, Charlie [Liste de réserve]
          3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
          Détails additionnels:
          Pick #15
          NJD
            Noah Hanifin (50%)
            6.
            CGY
            1. Bolduc, Samuel
            2. Odelius, Calle
            3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
            Détails additionnels:
            Pick #14
            NYI
              Noah Hanifin (50%)
              7.
              CGY
              1. Fortescue, Drew [Liste de réserve]
              2. Jones, Zachary
              3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
              Détails additionnels:
              Pick #29
              NYR
                Noah Hanifin (50%)
                8.
                CGY
                1. Koster, Mike [Liste de réserve]
                2. Liljegren, Timothy
                3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
                Détails additionnels:
                Pick #22
                TOR
                  Noah Hanifin (50%)
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                  7 févr. à 9 h 0
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                  Why would Edmonton be interested? They have Nurse and Ekholm on the left side top-4, a rental Hanifin doesn't really do much for them in the short term, and is quite detrimental long term.

                  Besides Ken Holland has never traded a 1st for a rental, he's not about to trade his key non-roster assets for a rental that doesn't fill a gaping hole.
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                  7 févr. à 9 h 18
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                  We’ll just sign in the off-season if he really wants to play here… if not we’re not trading that for him, as he isn’t an immediate need.
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                  Why would Edmonton be interested? They have Nurse and Ekholm on the left side top-4, a rental Hanifin doesn't really do much for them in the short term, and is quite detrimental long term.

                  Besides Ken Holland has never traded a 1st for a rental, he's not about to trade his key non-roster assets for a rental that doesn't fill a gaping hole.


                  I do not know if EDM has any interest or not...I picked a handful of teams to show some similar trades.

                  (Holland traded 1sts for rentals when he was in Detroit)
                  7 févr. à 21 h 25
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                  I do not know if EDM has any interest or not...I picked a handful of teams to show some similar trades.

                  (Holland traded 1sts for rentals when he was in Detroit)

                  No, he didn't.
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                  No, he didn't.


                  Hasek? Schneider?
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                  Hasek? Schneider?


                  Hasek was a summertime trade, he had a full year. Schneider was a deadline deal and had 1.5 years on his contract.

                  Holland has never traded a 1st at the deadline iij ne for a rental. In 25+ years of GMing.
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                  Zero interest in Hanifin. We need a RD.
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                  Hasek was a summertime trade, he had a full year. Schneider was a deadline deal and had 1.5 years on his contract.

                  Holland has never traded a 1st at the deadline iij ne for a rental. In 25+ years of GMing.


                  Both were rentals
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                  Hasek was a summertime trade, he had a full year. Schneider was a deadline deal and had 1.5 years on his contract.

                  Holland has never traded a 1st at the deadline iij ne for a rental. In 25+ years of GMing.


                  https://www.espn.com/nhl/news/2003/0311/1521685.html
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                  Both were rentals


                  1.5 seasons is not a rental.
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                  1.5 seasons is not a rental.


                  0.5 season + 1 yr option
                  1 season

                  If you are narrowly defining rental as trade deadline deals, okay…but will be able to say that about most GMs.
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                  0.5 season + 1 yr option
                  1 season

                  If you are narrowly defining rental as trade deadline deals, okay…but will be able to say that about most GMs.


                  From the article I posted yesterday:

                  "The 33-year-old Schneider, a member of Montreal's 1992-93 Stanley Cup-winning team, is earning $3.5 million this season. He was second on the Kings in scoring with 14 goals and 29 assists. This will be his sixth NHL club...

                  Smolinski is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent July 1. The Kings' only All-Star this season, Schneider will earn $3.75 million next season in the final year of his contract."


                  He had 1.5 seasons left on his contract at the time of the deal. That's not a rental by anyone's definition.
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                  From the article I posted yesterday:

                  "The 33-year-old Schneider, a member of Montreal's 1992-93 Stanley Cup-winning team, is earning $3.5 million this season. He was second on the Kings in scoring with 14 goals and 29 assists. This will be his sixth NHL club...

                  Smolinski is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent July 1. The Kings' only All-Star this season, Schneider will earn $3.75 million next season in the final year of his contract."


                  He had 1.5 seasons left on his contract at the time of the deal. That's not a rental by anyone's definition.


                  I believe it was an option year as I have seen it both ways.

                  For instance:

                  “After appearing in his second All-Star Game in 2003, Schneider was dealt at the trade deadline to the Detroit Red Wings for two players and two draft picks. The Kings had shopped Schneider around as he was set to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.“

                  Also says some places that he signed a 3-year contract when he signed in LAK. That was his third season there.
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                  I believe it was an option year as I have seen it both ways.

                  For instance:

                  “After appearing in his second All-Star Game in 2003, Schneider was dealt at the trade deadline to the Detroit Red Wings for two players and two draft picks. The Kings had shopped Schneider around as he was set to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.“

                  Also says some places that he signed a 3-year contract when he signed in LAK. That was his third season there.

                  You wiki quote is uncited, I wouldn't trust that over ESPN and various Detroit area publications at the time.

                  LA Times writer Jim Hodges wrote on August 12, 2000 that "Schneider, a free agent whose last employer was the New York Rangers, signed a one-year contract with the Kings..." That one-year contract was for the 2000-01 season.

                  So the 3-year contract he signed with LA was 2001-02 through 03-04. Detroit traded for him March 11, 2003, so he played the remainder of the 02-03 year with Detroit and had another year left on his 3-year deal after that.

                  His capfriendly page lines up with that. 2000-01 he made $2M in LA (the one-year contract) then over the next three years he made $3.25M, $3.5M and $3.75M, respectively. Nearly half of that time was in Detroit.

                  Ergo, he wasn't a rental.
                   
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