Flyers don't need Allen or to dump Petersen

Sure they do.

We don't need Petersen and his 5M salary going forward. Huge pass for me

We won’t worry about the salary for another few years. Why not get the 2nd round pick.

Flyers aren't in a cap crunch so there's no need to dump Petersen and the Flyers aren't trying to force themselves into playoffs by trading assets for a goalie.

It’s a 2nd in the 20 range to improve the position and shed someone off the cap (also for next season).

You don’t really think Philly is rebuilding still do you? That’s over. They’re going to improve the team in the offseason and they’d probably like to not have a 5 mill ahl goalie on the cap.

Briere, Jonesy and Torts are all saying that they will be selling at the deadline and have to look at the bigger picture which is to rebuild despite where they are in the standings.

There is zero quarantee that they can replicate this season next year because they are definitely overachieving a bit right now.

What a huge mistake that is. Continued mediocrity for Flyers fans I guess. Pick in the teens or the 20’s for the next few years and never actually rebuild. Either rebuild or go all in. None of this in between bs.

If they would try to contend now they would continue that mediocrity. They are nowhere near future cupcontenders if they don't continue the rebuild. They don't have any elite talent on the roster and the only one with that elite potential is Michkov who won't come over for 2 more years.

They also don't have any young top 6 potential centers other than Frost. It's very clear that their roster is lacking a lot of talent for them to be contenders.

We need to quit with the “elite” word. Nobody knows what it means, everyone has a different definition and different parameters.

You guys have a legit top line centre on a contender in Couturier and a legit top line winger in Konecny and a great defense and good depth. With a few prospects still in the cupboards. Could you use another big piece on offense? Sure, but that’s closer to contending than being a rebuilding team.

Unless you guys plan on selling everything then you’ll be at least as mediocre going forward if not more. Maybe rebuilding is the right direction. but you’re looking at an incredibly long path. I’m talking 10 years before you sniff contention again. You guys are in the playoffs and you still have to sell basically an entire team off before you can start rebuilding and in the meantime (probably the next 2-3 years you’ll be picking in the teens… You can pluck high end talent from those area but you have to get very lucky. It’ll take a long time building that way. Rebuild is the better option for long term success, but I feel for you having to sit through a decade of that.

Flyers have always underperformed for what they should’ve been. You’re telling me they had a worse roster makeup than the blues who were legit contenders for years and then won a cup? You think they’re that far behind Vegas’ current roster? I don’t think so. A lot closer than you might realize.

Couturier is already 31 and has already regressed offensively. It won't take that many years before he won't be a good 1C anymore and they have nobody young that could potentially replace him. You have to look at the team long-term instead of what they are now, which is exactly what Briere is looking at. Their center is their weakness in the future because they have no good prospects there.

They are barely in a playoff spot and the reason they are in a playoff spot has more to do with the fact that other metro teams are underperforming like the devils and penguins who both have 3-4 less gamesplayed compared to the Flyers who are currently on a 5 game losing streak. If they would make the playoffs, they would be really lucky to even win a round. It's simply smarter to just get assets for players like Walker who's value will never be higher than it is now than to keep him and miss out on the assets for a first round exit.

They wouldn't have to sell that much to make the team worse. Just by trading Walker and Seeler who are both having career years would make their defense a lot worse and they can still get rid guys like Laughton and Atkinson. None of those guys will be part of the long-term plan for the team. Now they are without Hart which could potentially derail the rest of the season. It's simply better to just sell at the deadline and see where they are next season.

Rebuilding is the smarter route for long term success I agree. Imagine though that the last 5 years weren’t wasted by poor management and coaching, they had the team to contend, minus a piece or two and I still believe they’re in that spot (but you’re right, that window isn’t long, would be at most 3 years)

They’re better than the bottom 10 teams even without those Dmen, especially with Torts as coach who always gets the most out of teams. They won’t draft top 5 again, and even top 10 is unlikely. They’re to good. The roster is to good. If they trade all of those players you mentioned this offseason then there’s a chance. Even so it’s going to be a very long rebuild. Clearing out that roster isn’t a one year thing.

The difference between the bottom 10 and the Flyers is 7 points right now and you can find yourself a plenty of good top 6 potential center prospects outside of the top 10. Just some examples of 1C's drafted outside top 10 from the last 10 drafts are Aho, Point, Larkin, Barzal and Thomas. There are plenty more examples, but the point is that you can find 1C players outside of the top 10.

That’s 10 drafts, 30 spots, if you land one of those guys out of 300 players you have to be incredibly lucky. Those teams did it once. Most of the league didn’t do it. The odds are incredibly low, but yes, you can get incredibly lucky. It can happen but you can’t bet on it.

You would have to be pretty lucky to get a 1C outside of the top 10, but you can increase your odds by having more picks, good scouting and good delepment. There's almost always a guy outside the top 10 who has good potential but they don't always end up panning out. Which also ties into my earlier point that they should just acquire assets from their UFA's and keep rebuilding. Who knows where they are next season now that they don't have Hart and will be probably be making more subtractions in the offseason. They probably won't be bottom 5 but could end up in the bottom 10 next season.