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Créé par: Milter16
Publié: 21 déc. 2023 à 10 h 42
Plafond salarial: 83 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 119/192 (62%)
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Logo de Penguins de PittsburghPenguins de Pittsburgh

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Letang, KrisPenguins de PittsburghLNH15%5 185 000 $011---3021214--
Guentzel, JakePenguins de PittsburghLNH-6 000 000 $011---30142034--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Myers, TylerCanucks de VancouverLNH-6 000 000 $011---3321315--
Kuzmenko, AndreiCanucks de VancouverLNH-5 500 000 $011---2961117--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (Logo de Canucks de VancouverVAN)---100------
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (Logo de Devils du New JerseyNJD)---001------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial3 650 000 $2248672512
Variation-315 000 $000101
Final3 335 000 $ (↓)2248673 (↑)513 (↑)-8-8-16

Logo de Canucks de VancouverCanucks de Vancouver

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Myers, TylerCanucks de VancouverLNH-6 000 000 $011---3321315--
Kuzmenko, AndreiCanucks de VancouverLNH-5 500 000 $011---2961117--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (Logo de Canucks de VancouverVAN)---100------
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (Logo de Devils du New JerseyNJD)---001------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Letang, KrisPenguins de PittsburghLNH15%5 185 000 $011---3021214--
Guentzel, JakePenguins de PittsburghLNH-6 000 000 $011---30142034--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial0 $2246683312
Variation315 000 $000-10-1
Final315 000 $ (↑)2246682 (↓)311 (↓)8816
21 déc. 2023 à 11 h 41
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I don't mean to be rude, but that return would be a maybe for either Jake or Letang, in no way is that remotely close for both.
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21 déc. 2023 à 12 h 31
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I don't mean to be rude, but that return would be a maybe for either Jake or Letang, in no way is that remotely close for both.


Honestly, it doesn't get either player on their own. And Letang isn't waiving to go anywhere.
21 déc. 2023 à 17 h 48
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You're having a laugh?

Stop thinking Kuzmenko has the value of a 1st rounder and plus. He's barely a positive asset right now.
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21 déc. 2023 à 18 h 4
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You're having a laugh?

Stop thinking Kuzmenko has the value of a 1st rounder and plus. He's barely a positive asset right now.


The healthy scratches aren't helping either............
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21 déc. 2023 à 18 h 10
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The healthy scratches aren't helping either............


I know right. I don't understand how some people have the idea that this guy is a prime high return asset. They have Kuzy last year before the extension when he was on league min and scoring at a 35+ goal pace. Not the one that has been benched in half the games, scratched in 5?
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21 déc. 2023 à 19 h 58
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I get why Guenzel looks like trade bait - no extension - but Letang isn't going anywhere
22 déc. 2023 à 13 h 42
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Hard pass for Canucks.
22 déc. 2023 à 15 h 30
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Quoting: Hitagi_Senpai
You're having a laugh?

Stop thinking Kuzmenko has the value of a 1st rounder and plus. He's barely a positive asset right now.


Dude he is still scoring before pulled out of the lineup so his value is not as low you think
Is he a 39 goal scorer, all signs point to no
But that doesn't mean he can't be a 20-25 goal scorer in which case he is making what a 20-25 goal scorer gets and I can see a 1 for 1 trade with the Kraken for one of their wingers like Schwartz, Wennberg or Tanev
22 déc. 2023 à 15 h 52
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Dude he is still scoring before pulled out of the lineup so his value is not as low you think
Is he a 39 goal scorer, all signs point to no
But that doesn't mean he can't be a 20-25 goal scorer in which case he is making what a 20-25 goal scorer gets and I can see a 1 for 1 trade with the Kraken for one of their wingers like Schwartz, Wennberg or Tanev


He's not a 1 for 1 kind of deal unless the cap hit coming back is the same, or the term is longer, but less cap hit.

Money in Money out is what Kuzy will be. He wont be a hugely positive asset. He does not forecheck, he's been benched in games, and scratched in 5 games this year...

He's not anything close to a highly positive asset
22 déc. 2023 à 15 h 57
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He's not a 1 for 1 kind of deal unless the cap hit coming back is the same, or the term is longer, but less cap hit.

Money in Money out is what Kuzy will be. He wont be a hugely positive asset. He does not forecheck, he's been benched in games, and scratched in 5 games this year...

He's not anything close to a highly positive asset


say that to a team that can't score, the guy scored twice before being healthy scratched so that is no where near negative lol
the problem with Kuzmenko is he can't play in system so it's more a Kuzmenko/Tocchett problem then just a Kuzmenko problem
So you want to give a 20 goal scorer away for nothing?
ok, but not smart or good asset management
22 déc. 2023 à 16 h 9
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Quoting: IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
say that to a team that can't score, the guy scored twice before being healthy scratched so that is no where near negative lol
the problem with Kuzmenko is he can't play in system so it's more a Kuzmenko/Tocchett problem then just a Kuzmenko problem
So you want to give a 20 goal scorer away for nothing?
ok, but not smart or good asset management


He cannot play on the road against teams that matter. Hence why he keeps getting scratched on the road. And hell he got benched against Chicago.
I'm not saying we're getting nothing for him, if he is moved, I am saying we're not getting anything close to what every homer has in mind. We're barely going to get a money in money out middle 6 forward in return. Think Mantha.

Any team that is in position to acquire him can't afford him because Salary cap. And the teams that can afford him, either aren't in a position to acquire him, or wont use futures (which everyone claims we need to get for him) to get him.

At best, the trade will make everyone groan because they think we should have gotten a first rounder plus. Instead of the lack luster, albeit correct value, return we will get.
 
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