Considering Conroy's track record, I'm gonna bet the Devils don't give up this much

I didn't take into consideration Bahl's value in that trade but the picks alone is a price that I could see him getting. His track record shows that he's willing to get things done, and not hold out for high prices. They will probably still want a player as part of the package so I guess it could be Ty Smith or a prospect just not sure who NJ would give up or maybe a player instead of one of the picks.

Columbus doesn’t need that much money in goalies. But you know who desperately needs a goalie? New Jersey.

Ty Smith is on the Penguins. We traded him before last year for Marino

I can't see NJ -they probably get Allen from MTL- or any team taking on Markstrom's contract without retention except for the Oilers if they are sending back Campbell and CLB Merzlikins. Merzlikins is playing okay now though so maybe CLB doesn't want to move him. The difference though is Markstrom only has 2-years left at 6M and Merzlikins has 5.4Mx3. Merzlikins' contract is much more buyout friendly than Markstrom's though whether it be this off-season or the next.

Sorry, meant Brendan lol.

Calgary doesn't really want Merzlikins either, I'm trying to clear out goalies to get Wolf up.

I wouldn't pay Columbus either, if they're getting Lindholm in a Laine trade, it's unretained, no contract guarantees and they're throwing in Chinikov.

I did say I like the idea of gambling on Laine but it's gotta be a trade we clearly win and barely allows Jarmo to save face.

Nobody's taking that contract unretained, maybe Chicago but I don't see them paying much.

Rent Lindholm for a year to see if you can retain him and or get Gaudreau rolling, we'll take their underperforming and disgruntled players for cheap.

Both teams get a big fat dice roll. Sometimes you just gotta roll a hard six.

I disagree, anyone will take Laine's contract unretained, he's only making 8.7M for 3 more years, he's 25, and has been PPG the last two years. The only problems are injuries, and he's likely still suffering from the effects of the concussion Rasmus Andersson gave him (probably not a good idea if you think about it). With no contract guarantees on Lindholm, the trade doesn't happen. CGY doesn't have the upper hand over CLB at all in this trade especially if they want to trade Markstrom unretained. I think Vladar would get traded in the off-season if not sooner, but the earliest Wolf starts is probably next year or last few games of the season.

Not without retention or sending back garbage. Who's got 8 million in cap space for a guy getting paid to score 40 but hasn't done it in a few years?

Contenders are usually the only teams that pay well for players. I don't think any contenders are in a position to gamble on Laine.

Lindholm’s likely a 1st + +, no ones doing better than that on an unretained Laine. I'll retain 50% so you can retain again and flip him at the deadline if you have too.

Like I said, I'm willing to gamble and structure a deal that helps you save face, but the biggest asset you're getting back is cap space.

Laine is 25 and has term, the teams that pay the best for those types of players are rebuilders/play-off hopefuls because they have better futures than contenders. Laine could probably fetch something similar to DeBrincat (trade from CHI) at the draft. The only cap space that CLB opens up is part of Peeke's contract (2.75M-600K +/- the difference of Laine and Lindholm's contracts, and they could probably get the entire thing off their books if they wanted. CLB needs good players, not cap space. If they trade Laine and end up losing Lindholm, then there's 0 point in this trade.

But Debrincat was good when he was traded, Laine's slumping.

Lindholms value could be argued to be close to the Debrincat trade.

If you'd rather keep him, than take chance on Lindholm, I respect that. But you can't convince me he has much value right now.

Lindholm is a ufa, like any other good ufa his value is around a 1st+(3rd/4th/2nd). With a sign & trade (trade & sign) then they can squeeze more, and he might get something similar to the DeBricat to Detroit deal.

I'm not GMJK undercover , so it's not up to me if Laine gets traded or not. That being said I don't think Laine is on the block, I wouldn't say his value is down, but if he were to be traded I think teams would want to see his latest medical records and/or see him look healthy out there. I was talking to a CBJ fan earlier and he was saying that Laine is probably not 100% recovered from his concussion as he's making basic mistakes. Worth noting that Lindholm's numbers aren't exactly great either this year, even with his defensive capabilities, 50pts just makes him a good 3C like Pageau. or low-end defensive 2C.

Neither of those guys are comparable to the first cat deal

Cat was a 1 year +RFA after, coming off 40+ goals

Laine is an EXPENSIVE underperforming winger

Lindholm is a rental 2C

Take out Bahl, a 2nd, and the retention

2nd+3rd for an unretained Tanev feels reasonable and in line with comps

8.7M isn't expensive for a PPG winger anymore. He's underperforming but he did just come off having a concussion.

Laine doesn't have the same track record of scoring 40Gs as DeBrincat does, and hasn't done so lately, but his career average is still 30+ G, he does have a huge injury issue though, so he won't get as much DeBrincat has but I don't see why he can't get something similar, when I say similar I'm using that term pretty loosely, like even Chychrun's return of a 1st + two 2nds, but it needs to be a pick that can or is expected to be around the 7-12 OV pick mark + a 2nd + 3rd. I just took Lindholm + the late 1st to be equivalent to the 1st + 2nd + 3rd, gave a 2nd for the goalie swap, and a 3rd for Peeke just for extra measure since there's no guarantee that Lindholm would receive a 1st + 2nd + 3rd in a sign & trade.

Devils a dont want a 6m goalie. Plus there are way better and cheaper goalies out there.

oh yes lets keep bringing back ex devils. Drop Greer, drop Bahl and a 2nd you pick a propsect and its a deal

Bc cat had a year at 6 mill then RFA control. Cat>Laine

And cat got paid, 6, 7.85,7.85…
And Laine will get 8.7, 8.7, 8.7

Cat had 6M and an RFA with a 9M QO away from free agency. He could have just accepted that QO and walked to FA but that was risky for him with the season he just had, forcing a trade elsewhere was much easier. According to reports he wanted 8.775Mx8, he just had to settle for less because no one wanted to commit long-term with the season he had had at that price. OTT is likely to recuperate a late-round pick out of the ordeal, but basically they just paid a late 1st + early 2nd + 3rd for 1-year of DeBrincat + Kubalik + Sebrango + a 4th.

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/snapshots-alex-debrincats-contract-demands-holding-up-trade-from-ottawa-senators

Detroit got ADB for 7.84x4 for a late 1st+Sebrango + Kubalik (x1) + a 4th, that's a rental price if you think about it, just slightly more. So, what they got was a pretty good deal, imo and not the standard.