This is a troll.

Lili is going to cost you more.

1st and Hoglander is something they consider. I don't think that get it done tho.

Leafs decline to add the pick and decline to sell him until the offseason

contrary to what leafs fans are saying, i don't think lijegren is the player to move a first for. probably want some one more established with a better track record

Leafs fans don't want to trade him.

If he was traded he'd go for more than Sandin who went for a 1st and Gustafson

why would he go for more than sandin? lower offensive upside, has never played a top 4 role, average results while he is on the ice, now 2 years older than sandin was when he was traded.

less potential, not as good, older. no reason to assume he gets more than sandin

He’s better then sandin was when sandin was traded it’s true sandin is better then him now but that still doesn’t matter he’s worth a 1st and a 4th all day long and I could see the leafs trading him in the offseason to restock the shelves

we will agree to disagree here. 3rd pairing average dman rarely garner a 1st, usually typically closer to a 3rd. since liljegren is an RFA instead of a UFA and is 24 i could see him getting a 2nd but a 1st seems extremely steep.

Leafs don’t sell him for less and he’s played 2nd line since game 3 and is not headed back until maybe the playoffs or after trade deadline depending who we grab

liljegren has never averaged 18 mins or more per game, including this season. he is 24 and has played 151 games total in the nhl. hes never scored more than a 31 point pace, which was now 2 seasons ago. his underlying number last year and so far this season are average. doesnt have any high-end seperating traits.

for comparison, last deadline the canucks acquired Hronek and a 4th for a protected 1st and a 2nd round pick. at the time of trade, hronek was about the same age liljegren is now, but with over 300 games played, had averaged between 22-24 minutes per night, and had scored at between a 38-51 point pace in each of the 3 seasons prior to the trade as well as being in the middle of his best season of his career form a statistical and underlying numbers standpoint.

I fail to see how liljegren can compare at all in terms of trade value

Yes lily brings in far less then him cause he’s worse but still leafs don’t sell lily for less then a first and a fourth it would take an overpayment to get him and the overpayment part of that is the 4th

It's not leaf fans, it's just a few morons that think anyone that doesn't throw 5 hits a game isn't good. They don't even care if the defenceman they want get scored on 500% more than Liljegren. They are not leaf fans, they are just idiots

Liljegren just isn't going to get traded.

It’s shocking Leaf fans wouldn’t trade Liljegren for this or any first, I think Tre throws in a lifetime membership to Boston Pizza.

Did I miss something on Lilijegren?

Before the injury, I might have agreed, but now I'm not so sure. Value will be depressed in the short term for sure until people know he's fine and he's been injured enough that I think he's crossed the threshold of having the reputation of being injury-prone.

LOL, exactly 0 people think he is injury prone.

He plays in Toronto and nobody has ever said that. If he was even slightly injury prone the media would be all over it.

Dude had his damn ankle charged into the boards let's do that to you and see how "injury prone" you are.

Literally you are on Capfriendly. Just look at his injury page:

https://www.capfriendly.com/injury/players/timothy-liljegren

Since you are lazy

Excluding day to day injuries (out 2 weeks or less). He has had..........wait for it......... 1 injury and its the current one from a dirty play.

Dude what are you smoking.

He's 24, solid top 4 D who was arguably the Leafs best D when he got injured. The two full games he played before his injury he played 24:07 and 20:50, he was essentially playing as our #2. Top line PK, second PP, and playing the most of all our D at 5v5.

And he was crushing his minutes. Jfresh had him in the 94th percentile among D. 87th percentile for defensive impacts.

Anyone who watches the games will tell you that he is 100% going to be a very solid #2 D for years to come. Trading him would be as bad as Detroit trading Hronek last year. Worse when you consider the Leafs are in their window and the pick is largely useless.

I can't think of a D that we could get that pick with that would be an upgrade. Maybe Dobson if the Islanders sell and sell low for some reason on him but that is so unrealstic.

Solid top 4 D that they don’t have confidence to play in the playoffs?
Best Leaf d? Wow not sure what that means
Crushing???

Hey I like the guy but not on my team if I am the GM of a team hungry thirsty and desperate for a cup

Not worth a first for any of the 32 teams, shocked a Vancouver fan suggested it

He literally played 24mins and 20 minutes his last 2 full games before his injury. Has been our #2 this year and has been in the top 4 for long stretches in the past. Sandin was NEVER in the top 4 before he was traded. He was literally being healthy scratched the season we traded him. I'd bet everything I have that Lili logged at least 20% more minutes that Sandin last year before the trade.

No he doesn't have the offensive upside but at 24, most analytics engines have him as an 85th percentile + defender. That means if there are 10 D on each team who play (more D the worse he looks) that he's a top 50 Defensive D in the league, if we assume there are 8 D on each team who play each year then he's a top 35D. So he's essentially the best or second best Defensive D on average on any NHL team.

If you don't think Lili is worth a 1st+++ then you don't watch him play.

All the concerns about the Leafs D, including Klingberg essentially ending his career came when Lili got injured and everyone had to try and fill his role. He is essentially the workhorse of the Leafs D core. He is going to be a #2 and succeed Brodie in that role. He's never going to put up a PPG or even like 50 points seems like a stretch but he'll make $50M a year and be a #2 or lead a shutdown pair.

From the first 10 games this year:

From two year ago:

From last year

Like its just ignoring facts to say he isn't a top 4 guy. The only debate is whether he is a top 2 D or not.

I have watched every one of his 10 games this season dude plus almost everyone of his nhl games plus all the ones he sat in the press box, so whatever that dayglo graph is it means nothing to me. He is not solid durable rough tough shifty swiftly or nifty

With the Leafs coaching and management anything is possible