I could get behind this

Flames aren’t interested in a late 1st or Klingberg and don’t have the Cap Space to do this. How bout Liljegren 🤔

Nobody is offering Liljegren for a 34 year old rental...

According to what exactly?

Tanev looks busted

Well said thank you forget that guy he’s delusional if he thinks tanev gets you lily

Then you’re not really interested in acquiring Tanev cause that’s what it’ll take


Flames will get much better offers for Tanev than the ones Leafs Fans can only Wish, Dream and Pray for

So you don't actually have reason to believe this. Understood.

What does a late 1st get you really!?! Nothing!

Over the last 15 or so years, TOR has Drafted Rasmus Sandin, Egor Korshkov, Frederik Gauthier, Tyler Biggs and Stuart Percy with Picks 21-32. None of these guys worked out for TOR

CGY’ll want either a Top-20 Pick or a Quality Prospect for Tanev, especially with retention, otherwise they’ll simply look to re-sign and keep him

Following nonsense with more demonstrable nonsense. Bold plan. You should get used to the idea of what you want and what Calgary wants aren't the same thing.

These comments are gold lol

*Grabs popcorn*

I can’t see that lol sorry

As if you know more about the Flames wants and needs than me lol

Clearly TOR Fans want Tanev, and for good reason, but so does pretty much every other Fan & Team, so the Demand and Competition for Tanev is HIGH and therefore so will the Return need to be. It’s common sense

I’m telling you we’re going to get a much better offer than a Crappy late 1st Round Pick and Cap Dump, otherwise we’ll just keep Tanev. He’s still one of the Top Shut Down + Penalty Killing D-Men in the League, He’s Great at Mentoring & Sheltering his D-Partners and Players like him are rarely made available. Not sure what you don’t get about that

The nonsense you are basing it on is what I don't understand. The Flames aren't interested in 1st round picks. Nonsense. Late 1st round picks are worth nothing. Nonsense. Defensemen like Tanev are rarely made available. Nonsense. The Flames will just keep him. Nonsense. You have been a never ending string of nonsense in this thread with wild claims that even a casual observer of the league could tell you are ridiculous.

I didn’t say the Flames weren’t interested in 1st Round Picks, that’s nonsense. The FACT here is I said they weren’t interested in a late first for Tanev 50% retained, that they’d want a better pick or proven prospect

FACT: Late 1st Round Picks are a coin flip = ~50/50 chance it’ll produce a Player who plays >99 NHL Games and who knows if any of them will be that special. Tanev is a highly respected shut down dman. He’s both a sure thing and special

FACT: Players like Tanev are rarely made available. Name some solid shut down dmen like Tanev Traded from a Team still looking to contend that doesn’t have another player pushing him out!??? CGY has no replacement for Tanev, nor any Future Depth Prospects, therefore have no need or want to move him. Tanev will need to pried away from Calgary

FACT: Unless we receive an offer we simply can’t refuse, the Flames will look to extend Tanev and keep him as the Perfect D-Partner for Poirier, Solovyov and Kuznetsov

This fact doesn't lend itself to anything. Tanev is a good player, good players have been traded for late 1st round picks before. That's the fact that's actually relevant.



The entire premise of this is nonsense. The Flames aren't still looking to contend if they are selling at the deadline. They are having a lot of trouble keeping the guys they want to keep, imagine how much trouble they'll have keeping a guy they wanted to trade first.

Other than that, you see good defensemen traded all the time. Ekholm for example had better defensive metrics than Tanev and got traded with term remaining from a team who is in a similar position to Calgary. He's a great comparable for a Tanev trade where 4 seasons of an aging defensive specialist got less than what you are asking for a rental on an older defensive specialist. His trade even involved a cap dump on the Oilers part of it that had multiple seasons left on it and 4 seasons of retention. It's a good comparable that absolutely decimates your valuation.



This isn't even a fact. It's an opinion.

The Right Shot RD Tanev @ $2.25mil who can be re-signed for $3-3.5mil/yr is for sure more valuable to a Team and it’s Cap than Ekholm at his $6mil/yr

TOR Fans need to understand that the other 31 other Teams in the League don’t exist just to serve or help out The Leafs. If you want a specific player, who is not even currently available, be prepared to pay for him

Otherwise, go make some Trade Proposals for Ekholm or somebody else for awhile. The Tanev to TOR proposals are so obnoxiously repetitive and in TOR’s favour

In no world is a few months of Tanev worth more than 4 seasons of Ekholm involving 4 seasons worth of rention and a multi year cap dump, regardless of cap hits. Again, obvious nonsense.

So now you are making another wild claim. Tanev won't be available. What is this based on? I've got a wild guess and you may not be surprised, it's more nonsense.

Basically what we have here is someone who deals in facts, me, and someone who deals in opinions that have no basis, you. Think of it this way. If you know Calgary can re-sign Tanev, which you've claimed multiple times now, and you know the exact amount it would take, 3-3.5m, and you know Calgary needs him going forward, again according to your claims, why isn't he already signed? Your opinions just don't add up.

Obviously math isn’t your strong suit, hey!? Go Trade for Ekholm then and see if you have enough Cap Space to re-sign Nylander past this season. Contenders want UFA’s they can bring in on the cheap with retention, there’s additional value for that

Flames are still looking to contend. We’re having a bad start to the season, but it’s still early and we’re nowhere near out of it or interested in selling yet

Even if CGY doesn’t make the playoffs though, Tanev’s the Perfect D-Partner for upcoming Poirier, Solovyov and Kuznetsov, so we would happily extend him another 2-3 years if he felt he could stay healthy and wants to stick around and there’s nothing out there to suggest he wouldn’t

Term is the most valuable thing in the league. We see that repeatedly in almost every trade that involves it. Your player isn't more valuable because he has less term. It's pure nonsense. You might be able to make that argument if Tanev had 2 more seasons or something with that retention but he doesn't and you can't.

Teams pay more for players with term. They trade for expiring players because those are the players who are available and at a lower cost, teams don't trade players with term remaining without a high cost attached. There are dozens of examples of this, the easiest to find are the ones where players are traded for more because the team they are going to negotiated an extension with the player beforehand. Lindholm to Boston would be a recent example of this or what Calgary fans will hope to happen with their Lindholm if he doesn't sign with the Flames. Again, facts with evidence vs nonsense opinions.



Are they? They haven't been able to re-sign either Lindholm or Hanifin, they have Zadorov and Tanev hanging out there too. What exactly are they looking to contend with right now?



Well again, if you know Calgary has a need, and that they'd be able to re-sign him, and you know the value of the contract, why hasn't that contract been signed yet? There's no answer for that question. The only reasonable explanation is that somewhere your opinion doesn't align with reality.

3yrs @ $6mil = $18mil for LD Ekholm
VS.
$2.25 + 2yrs @$3-3.5mil = 8.25-9.25mil for RD Tanev

If you can’t or don’t see the value of almost $9-10mil in Cap Savings on a Harder to Fill Position, I can’t help you

Flames have a New GM and he’s playing the patient game. He’s signed Backlund and made offers to Lindholm & Hanifin, who is rumoured to be close to having an extension in place. Big-Z & Tanev are in the list to get done too, It’s a process, these things take time. Otherwise, why haven’t you re-signed Nylander yet?…..

I’m pretty confident that the Flames will get things turned around here soon and that TOR gets bounced in the 1st Round of the Playoffs again

You aren't trading 2 years at 3-3.5 mil. You are trading 1 season(actually like 3-4 months) at 2.25. That's why your opinion on value is so ridiculously off.
Beyond that, the 2x3-3.5 is just a number you are pulling out of your ass. You can't try to present it as fact, it has no basis. Tanev is going to be looking for longer than 2 years as a starting point and those aren't going to be good years.



Leafs haven't signed Nylander because he wants 10+ mil and the Leafs don't want to give him that. You however know the term, the amount and the need of the Flames...so why hasn't it been done? What is there to gain there with patience other than making Tanev available for trade? Again, no good answer for that question except you are wrong somewhere.

You’re hilarious without trying to be 😂

Have you never heard of sign & trades and let me bring you back to reality, this is a fantasy site, we’re all here to make predictions. Duh 🙄

Tfw the guy everyone has been laughing at tries to call others hilarious.

We are here to make predictions. However predictions that have no basis in reality, like sign and trades with a 34 year old or desired 34 year olds signing only 2 years in term, should be viewed for what they are. Nonsense. Something you have been full of. Trying to use that nonsense as your basis on value rather than comparable trades that have actually happened is even more hilarious. You are now basically trying to say that if everything goes right for the Flames, like a sign and trade and Tanev agreeing to a perfect deal for a team, they might get more. Well rarely does everything go right so we're probably better off looking at the more likely outcomes when were talking about values of players.