NSH is doing too much giving here.

NSH is doing too much giving here.

I have a feeling Canucks fans will feel VAN is giving to much here.

Personally I think it's pretty close value wise, because of the small retention maybe a late pick going NASH's way.

I doubt that Sissons is going anywhere

For NSH they're giving up the two most valuable pieces to them, taking on cap, and losing their final retention spot.

Garland is a redundancy for NSH. They have young wingers like Tomasino, Evangelista, Kemell, L'Heuruex, Lind, Schaeffer, etc. Lots of guys who look like they could at least break 20 goals one time too, and none of them cost nearly $5M.

Similarly, NSH has multiple young centers with equal or greater upside than Räty (Novak, Glass, Pärssinen, Svechkov, Nilsson, Burke).

I'm not sure what VAN fans expect for a $5M middle six winger who doesn't want to be there. But for NSH to take on two players I can't see them having any interest in, giving up anything of value is an overpay.

After reading your comment I broke the trade down, and I think your probably right on value, it's a bit off.

The best piece is Sissons, the next is Raty, then Fabbro and last Garland.

Fabbro at this point has minimal value, Garland has slightly negative value. There has been some reported interest in Garland by NASH, I would assume that is probably if VAN is willing to attach a small asset or add small retention, but if they are considering the player the team probably doesn't see him as to much of a redundancy.

Raty was a key piece in the Horvat trade. Prime Horvat should be worth significantly more than Sissons (is still a good player) and the return was a mid 1st, Raty and a player with negative value, so I think Raty is probably around the value of Sissons. With NASH not making the playoffs for the next few seasons I figured they might be interested in a player that projects as a similar Sissons type. I personally haven't seen much of Raty play but from what I read/hear (radio) he's projected to be a solid two-way 3rd line center.

All that said there is probably slight positive value for Fabbro, 500k one year retention cost, and slight negative value on Garland. So on second thought I do think this trade is probably tilted a bit in Vancouver's favour.

I think you're under selling Fabbro a fair bit. He's unfairly been the default scapegoat for a portion of the fanbase, but he's got a solid game. Also, Schenn didn't look great in the preseason, or the opener (and is now injured), so a Fabbro trade seems unlikely at the moment. Dante looks like he's been rejuvenated a bit under Brunette so far. I don't think Trotz would be in a hurry to rush any of his younger players out the door, until they have more time to grow under their new coach.

With Ekholm gone, NSH doesn't have another passer like this on the back end:

https://twitter.com/AngryPredsFan/status/1712730059184783778

Raty has no value. He's playing on the 4th line in Abbostford. Garland is a cap dump. You should change your thread title to something else. The irony.

Edit: Nsh wont use their last retention spot as well in such a trade. The retention alone would be worth more than this package.

My value determination for Fabbro, isn't so much from personal viewings or from reading other fans perspectives on Capfriendly, it's based on listening to sport talk show insiders discussing certain players, lots of guys from ESPEN, Sportsnet, TSN, broadcast guests from other teams etc. Fabbro is a player I have heard multiple local insiders say Vancouver shouldn't even consider trading for unless he's essentially free or they are swapping for a Garland like contract, and Fabbro's a local kid which usually carries a certain level of positive bias in the local marketplace.

If he's on the 4th line in Abbotsford at Christmas then there's some concern. It's two games into Abbotsford's season, lots of players have no value if you judge them on a two game sample size.

Is that what they're saying in VAN? No wonder that one Nucks fan is always saying Fabbro is as bad a player as Bear.

So if VAN fans don't see value in Fabbro, and none of the NSH fan on these boards wants Garland, why are we still doing a dozen proposals involving the two everyday?



AHL lines tend to get more equal icetime than NHL lines, and I never put too much stock into what line a guy's on down there. Still, Räty wouldn't be a top ten prospect for NSH, and doesn't hold much value for them. Personally, Willander, Brzustewicz, and Silovs are the only VAN prospects I have some interest in.