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Another SJ Trade

Créé par: Celtics21
Équipe: 2023-24 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 1 sept. 2023
Publié: 1 sept. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $81 809 167 $4 500 000 $500 000 $1 690 833 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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863 333 $863 333 $
AD
RFA - 3
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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11 250 000 $11 250 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Bruins de Boston
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C, AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
800 000 $800 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
787 500 $787 500 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
DG
NTC, NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Bruins de Boston
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 7
Logo de Bruins de Boston
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Bruins de Boston
775 000 $775 000 $
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Bruins de Boston
775 000 $775 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
775 000 $775 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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1 sept. 2023 à 23 h 55
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Swayman
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2 sept. 2023 à 0 h 19
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Quoting: JoeThornton
Swayman
Lysell
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I agree with this trade.
What do you guys think?
2 sept. 2023 à 1 h 52
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Swayman can't be traded for a year due to his arbitration settlement. I like the trade for San Jose. I'm not optimistic about Hertl being a long term value
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2 sept. 2023 à 1 h 58
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Swayman
Lysell
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Too much for Boston to give up for Hertl
2 sept. 2023 à 2 h 34
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Swayman can't be traded for a year due to his arbitration settlement. I like the trade for San Jose. I'm not optimistic about Hertl being a long term value


I don’t believe that’s true. Can’t find reference to it anywhere, but maybe I’m just missing it
2 sept. 2023 à 4 h 22
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The basic concept of Hertl for Swayman is good. Boston gets a #1 center in his prime to win now and San Jose gets a young #1 goalie to win in the future. Other Boston players are needed to make capspace for Hertl.
2 sept. 2023 à 11 h 35
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The basic concept of Hertl for Swayman is good. Boston gets a #1 center in his prime to win now and San Jose gets a young #1 goalie to win in the future. Other Boston players are needed to make capspace for Hertl.


I think the basic construct is Swayman and Grz for Hertl.

Can player salaries be retained for just one year or if you retain, it is for the life of the contract? I’ve never been quite sure on that point
2 sept. 2023 à 11 h 46
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I think the basic construct is Swayman and Grz for Hertl.

Can player salaries be retained for just one year or if you retain, it is for the life of the contract? I’ve never been quite sure on that point


I'm pretty sure retentiion is for the life of the contract.
2 sept. 2023 à 14 h 50
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I'm pretty sure retentiion is for the life of the contract.


The balancing of contracts would need to happen here, but I do think there is a construct of a deal here.

Boston’s cap position requires secondary contracts to be included because I see no reason for San Jose to have to retain in this deal.

Swayman - Probably the best young goalie in the league with significant upside

Grz - short defenseman who is really good at engaging offense. His defensive stats show something you would not anticipate at that height. A good, solid two player no matter who he is paired wirh. He’s a guy you look to replace, but then keep practically when you assess total needs

Then the question is whether Frederic, Geekie, or Forbort (with a defenseman coming back) is included. I mentioned Frederic because he’s got interesting upside as a gritty solid third liner with defense. There is a lot of a young Al Iaffalo in him.

Forbort is easily the worst player of the group, but his salary ends this year
2 sept. 2023 à 15 h 25
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Too much for Boston to give up for Hertl


Oh well, Boston can keep searching for a 1C then
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Oh well, Boston can keep searching for a 1C then


That’s OK. I really want to see what Zacha can do with Pasta and eventually DeBrusk at LW once Lysell is ready.

The concept of trading Jeremy Swayman is flat out terrifying to me. I believe he has the talent to be the best goaltender in the league long term. I’m also not someone that believes the goalie narrative. Most teams that go cheap eventually regret it.

Part of me wonders, in reality, if Boston would have to include Merkulov if this deal really would be discussed.

I do wonder if San Jose would be on Ullmark’s no movement clause list
2 sept. 2023 à 15 h 54
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The balancing of contracts would need to happen here, but I do think there is a construct of a deal here.

Boston’s cap position requires secondary contracts to be included because I see no reason for San Jose to have to retain in this deal.

Swayman - Probably the best young goalie in the league with significant upside

Grz - short defenseman who is really good at engaging offense. His defensive stats show something you would not anticipate at that height. A good, solid two player no matter who he is paired wirh. He’s a guy you look to replace, but then keep practically when you assess total needs

Then the question is whether Frederic, Geekie, or Forbort (with a defenseman coming back) is included. I mentioned Frederic because he’s got interesting upside as a gritty solid third liner with defense. There is a lot of a young Al Iaffalo in him.

Forbort is easily the worst player of the group, but his salary ends this year


Agreed that Sharks should not retain on Hertl.

I posted a trade that was Swayman, Grz, and Frederick for Hertl.

Next question is if Sharks should get a pick in addition. I think so. A 2nd or 3rd.
2 sept. 2023 à 16 h 7
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Agreed that Sharks should not retain on Hertl.

I posted a trade that was Swayman, Grz, and Frederick for Hertl.

Next question is if Sharks should get a pick in addition. I think so. A 2nd or 3rd.


That was the reason I included Merkulov. My assumption is any prospect not named Lysell, Lohrei, or Poitras would be open.

I would guess that Merkulov, Harrison, and Beecher would be next on the Bruins list. I’d rate atleast two of those as more attractive than a 2nd rounder from
Boston, but I’d be open to substituting a 2nd in 26 or 3rd in 25.
3 sept. 2023 à 19 h 14
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That was the reason I included Merkulov. My assumption is any prospect not named Lysell, Lohrei, or Poitras would be open.

I would guess that Merkulov, Harrison, and Beecher would be next on the Bruins list. I’d rate atleast two of those as more attractive than a 2nd rounder from
Boston, but I’d be open to substituting a 2nd in 26 or 3rd in 25.


Sold! As originally proposed with Merkulov.
3 sept. 2023 à 19 h 23
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That’s OK. I really want to see what Zacha can do with Pasta and eventually DeBrusk at LW once Lysell is ready.

The concept of trading Jeremy Swayman is flat out terrifying to me. I believe he has the talent to be the best goaltender in the league long term. I’m also not someone that believes the goalie narrative. Most teams that go cheap eventually regret it.

Part of me wonders, in reality, if Boston would have to include Merkulov if this deal really would be discussed.

I do wonder if San Jose would be on Ullmark’s no movement clause list


It would be ok for the Sharks to keep Hertl too. I hope he stays with the Sharks. He's a great player and could give tge Sharks some continuity through the rebuild and byond. But we do need a #1 goalie of the future.

Merklulov or an equivalent pick would have to be included.

Sharks should be much more interested in Swayman than Ullmark. Especially for Hertl. Maybe Couture for Ullmark?
3 sept. 2023 à 19 h 41
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I’ve got limited interest in acquiring the length and age of Couture’s contract. He’s still a good player, but I have reservations about how that contract ages.

If SJ is involved, I assume it is for Swayman
 
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