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Well hopefully the internal growth of the Youngins keeps going. Losing Quinn hurts, was hoping he was one of the Youngins who took that step. Really wish he would have added a middle 6 option like Duchene or Tatar. Think Kulich will get his shot and is a dog. Rousek and Okposo can flip when need be and if Kulich isn't ready Rousek or Olofsson can slot in and Kulich can learn from the press box or Rochester.
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13 août 2023 à 9 h 17
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Who really knows.
This is as good as it gets.
Peterka, Krebs. Power, Luukkonen and Jokiharju could all take a huge leap forward.
Let me repeat my big bold predictions, 100 pt season, and Levi (21 years 287 days old on opening day) will have a season similar to Carey Price (21 years 55 days old on opening day) had in 2008-'09 when he played 41 games and Montreal went to the second round.

EDIT:
@Boos Thank you, Tom Barrasso 18 years old nearly his entire first season 2.84 GAA 26-12-3
IMHO Levi will do much better than that.

Second edit:
That team also had a lot of young players.
Andreychuk, Cyr, Tucker and Housley started the season at 19 YO
Very young defense Wiemer, Ruff and Ramsey all 22 or 23 YO.
Of course Barrasso 18 YO nearly the entire season
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13 août 2023 à 9 h 18
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I think that's pretty much the lineup we'll be seeing, I like that top-six as laid out and the top-4 on d.

P.S.

Don't worry about the Bills. Allen's a tough cookie. Super Bowl bound this season. wink
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13 août 2023 à 9 h 25
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Who really knows.
This is as good as it gets.
Peterka, Krebs. Power, Luukkonen and Jokiharju could all take a huge leap forward.
Let me repeat my big bold predictions, 100 pt season, and Levi (21 years 287 days old on opening day) will have a season similar to Carey Price (21 years 55 days old on opening day) had in 2008-'09 when he played 41 games and Montreal went to the second round.


Gotta love the positivity here. People forget Tom Barrasso came right out of high school and did pretty well in net that first season winning the Calder and Vezina.
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13 août 2023 à 10 h 23
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Who really knows.
This is as good as it gets.
Peterka, Krebs. Power, Luukkonen and Jokiharju could all take a huge leap forward.
Let me repeat my big bold predictions, 100 pt season, and Levi (21 years 287 days old on opening day) will have a season similar to Carey Price (21 years 55 days old on opening day) had in 2008-'09 when he played 41 games and Montreal went to the second round.

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Boos Thank you, Tom Barrasso 18 years old nearly his entire first season 2.84 GAA 26-12-3
IMHO Levi will do much better than that.


Well there's your Hope
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13 août 2023 à 10 h 25
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I think that's pretty much the lineup we'll be seeing, I like that top-six as laid out and the top-4 on d.

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Don't worry about the Bills. Allen's a tough cookie. Super Bowl bound this season. wink


Yes he is, but even a game or 2 could hurt us. Just want to see better from the other Allen
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13 août 2023 à 10 h 39
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Yes he is, but even a game or 2 could hurt us. Just want to see better from the other Allen


Defense is gonna rock so I'm not too worried if Allen misses a couple of games.

The key is get into the playoffs and hopefully be as healthy as can be. The Bills have the best team in the AFC East, regardless of all the hype behind the eventual also-rans in the division.
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13 août 2023 à 10 h 41
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Who really knows.
This is as good as it gets.
Peterka, Krebs. Power, Luukkonen and Jokiharju could all take a huge leap forward.
Let me repeat my big bold predictions, 100 pt season, and Levi (21 years 287 days old on opening day) will have a season similar to Carey Price (21 years 55 days old on opening day) had in 2008-'09 when he played 41 games and Montreal went to the second round.

EDIT:
Boos Thank you, Tom Barrasso 18 years old nearly his entire first season 2.84 GAA 26-12-3
IMHO Levi will do much better than that.

Second edit:
That team also had a lot of young players.
Andreychuk, Cyr, Tucker and Housley started the season at 19 YO
Very young defense Wiemer, Ruff and Ramsey all 22 or 23 YO.
Of course Barrasso 18 YO nearly the entire season


I really hope Adams plan works, he's basically banking on it with what he has done so far. He has built on what Botts started and has basically had 4 terrific drafts. Team has the makings of a Powerhouse, but Adams has some decisions coming. They are such a young team and they have Quality and Quantity coming through the ranks. He's gonna have to take the next step in his development just like the team and make a trade or 2 that he didn't need to. He needs to do more than just talk about trades, at some point you need to actually make one.
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13 août 2023 à 10 h 46
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Defense is gonna rock so I'm not too worried if Allen misses a couple of games.

The key is get into the playoffs and hopefully be as healthy as can be. The Bills have the best team in the AFC East, regardless of all the hype behind the eventual also-rans in the division.


Oh by far the Bills have the Deepest Roster in the Division, and think the Bills basically lose when they shoot themselves in the foot. Not really worried about are Division, but still don't want to get ****ed if your Backup can't even throw a screen
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13 août 2023 à 11 h 10
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Oh by far the Bills have the Deepest Roster in the Division, and think the Bills basically lose when they shoot themselves in the foot. Not really worried about are Division, but still don't want to get ****ed if your Backup can't even throw a screen


Points taken. That said, one good thing about not being a part of the HB cesspool is that I don't get caught up in all the worry and cynicism there. It's nice to watch what the Sabres and Bills do from afar. No worries, no depression, no high blood pressure. Ample enjoyment of life.

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13 août 2023 à 13 h 42
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I honestly think even without Quinn this forward group looks fine. I can even understand betting on Levi (who better was available, right?) but its borderline irresponsible to surround him with a defensive group thats one injury away from looking like an expansion team.

This is your GMs biggest F imo. If youre going to commit to drafting heavy on forwards on the premise that they are the best available and provide the most value, you cannot in your 4th year as GM, be gun shy about moving one of the 20 you have for a stable vet shut down guy. He's in a position where he could overpay for one and still have a top 10 prospect pool. How is he okay trading a 2nd and more for Jordan "i dont know where the puck is" greenway but giving up a prospect for a d-man is too much? idk.
13 août 2023 à 14 h 16
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I honestly think even without Quinn this forward group looks fine (completely agree). I can even understand betting on Levi (who better was available, right?) but its borderline irresponsible to surround him with a defensive group thats one injury away from looking like an expansion team .

This is your GMs biggest F imo. If youre going to commit to drafting heavy on forwards on the premise that they are the best available and provide the most value, you cannot in your 4th year as GM, be gun shy about moving one of the 20 you have for a stable vet shut down guy. He's in a position where he could overpay for one and still have a top 10 prospect pool. How is he okay trading a 2nd and more for Jordan "i dont know where the puck is" greenway (you have no idea how upset I was to give up a second for Greenway, especially because at the time of the trade Vegas was on the cusp of missing the playoffs, which would have put that pick about 47th OA) but giving up a prospect for a d-man is too much? idk.
The Sabres actually have 2 top pairing LHD (Dahlin/Power) and two second pairing LHD/RHD (Samuelsson/Jokiharju).
What hurt them last year the top four to play significantly more than they should have due to the low quality of the other defenders.
That led to injuries and fatigue especially late in the game.
Clague/Bryson/Pilut/Fitzgerald/Luybushkin played a total of 200 games, most of those games will be played by Clifton/Johnson/Stillman this year.
That trio does not have to be top pairing quality, just better than the quintet that played 200 games and history tells us they will be significantly better.
All four of the top defenders played many games with nagging injuries because the alternative was to let one of the afore mentioned five play on either the top or second pairing.
Re-read my comment above, Levi will be good (maybe even great at times), Dahlin/Jokiharju/Samuelsson will improve as they are only 23/24/23 years old at the start of the season.
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I honestly think even without Quinn this forward group looks fine. I can even understand betting on Levi (who better was available, right?) but its borderline irresponsible to surround him with a defensive group thats one injury away from looking like an expansion team.

This is your GMs biggest F imo. If youre going to commit to drafting heavy on forwards on the premise that they are the best available and provide the most value, you cannot in your 4th year as GM, be gun shy about moving one of the 20 you have for a stable vet shut down guy. He's in a position where he could overpay for one and still have a top 10 prospect pool. How is he okay trading a 2nd and more for Jordan "i dont know where the puck is" greenway but giving up a prospect for a d-man is too much? idk.


I agree for the most part, said a few times Adams didn't need the market to set itself. With the assets he had available he could have set it. Think the Sabres have the makings of a very good team. Adams has to learn when it's time to go outside the Organization for those finishing pieces.
Edit: And the Coaching needs to grow to. They played a run and gun system last year. Can they implement a better 200ft D system involving all 5 players while still keeping there pace.
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14 août 2023 à 4 h 47
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You’re nuts. Kulich>>>Quinn.
14 août 2023 à 4 h 59
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You’re nuts. Kulich>>>Quinn.



Sry, thought u were talking crap on Kulich.
14 août 2023 à 5 h 0
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The Sabres actually have 2 top pairing LHD (Dahlin/Power) and two second pairing LHD/RHD (Samuelsson/Jokiharju).
What hurt them last year the top four to play significantly more than they should have due to the low quality of the other defenders.
That led to injuries and fatigue especially late in the game.
Clague/Bryson/Pilut/Fitzgerald/Luybushkin played a total of 200 games, most of those games will be played by Clifton/Johnson/Stillman this year.
That trio does not have to be top pairing quality, just better than the quintet that played 200 games and history tells us they will be significantly better.
All four of the top defenders played many games with nagging injuries because the alternative was to let one of the afore mentioned five play on either the top or second pairing.
Re-read my comment above, Levi will be good (maybe even great at times), Dahlin/Jokiharju/Samuelsson will improve as they are only 23/24/23 years old at the start of the season.



3rd Pair is not going to play a ton, they just have to be responsible when they do.
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14 août 2023 à 6 h 10
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3rd Pair is not going to play a ton, they just have to be responsible when they do.


Really depends on how they set the pairs up. If they can handle a bit more minutes there Really isn't anything wrong with that. Could help Power and Dahlin be even better when they are out there, not always playing 23 to 25min a night and being fresher at points in the game.
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Really depends on how they set the pairs up. If they can handle a bit more minutes there Really isn't anything wrong with that. Could help Power and Dahlin be even better when they are out there, not always playing 23 to 25min a night and being fresher at points in the game.
That is what I suggested.
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3rd Pair is not going to play a ton, they just have to be responsible when they do.
Of course not, but likely more than rhe 15 minutes a night as they did last season.
Let me be clear, this would not reduce their prime ice time, but rather their PK for example.
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14 août 2023 à 7 h 5
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That is what I suggested.
Of course not, but likely more than rhe 15 minutes a night as they did last season.
Let me be clear, this would not reduce their prime ice time, but rather their PK for example.


If they can handle it, it only helps the team.
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14 août 2023 à 7 h 34
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Really depends on how they set the pairs up. If they can handle a bit more minutes there Really isn't anything wrong with that. Could help Power and Dahlin be even better when they are out there, not always playing 23 to 25min a night and being fresher at points in the game.


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That is what I suggested.
Of course not, but likely more than rhe 15 minutes a night as they did last season.
Let me be clear, this would not reduce their prime ice time, but rather their PK for example.



On a playoff team, that has the lead and doesn’t take penalties, you can roll 3 pairs, and not tax Dahlin and Power.
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14 août 2023 à 8 h 44
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I really hope Adams plan works, he's basically banking on it with what he has done so far. He has built on what Botts started and has basically had 4 terrific drafts. Team has the makings of a Powerhouse, but Adams has some decisions coming. They are such a young team and they have Quality and Quantity coming through the ranks. He's gonna have to take the next step in his development just like the team and make a trade or 2 that he didn't need to. He needs to do more than just talk about trades, at some point you need to actually make one.


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I honestly think even without Quinn this forward group looks fine. I can even understand betting on Levi (who better was available, right?) but its borderline irresponsible to surround him with a defensive group thats one injury away from looking like an expansion team.

This is your GMs biggest F imo. If youre going to commit to drafting heavy on forwards on the premise that they are the best available and provide the most value, you cannot in your 4th year as GM, be gun shy about moving one of the 20 you have for a stable vet shut down guy. He's in a position where he could overpay for one and still have a top 10 prospect pool. How is he okay trading a 2nd and more for Jordan "i dont know where the puck is" greenway but giving up a prospect for a d-man is too much? idk.



Most won’t want to hear, and we all want the playoff streak to end, but… they have to be smart. They still have to find out on JJ, Rosen, Kulich ect… and where and how they fit going forward. Once they’re slotted, then they can start making trades.
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