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Créé par: V1NnY2

Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 11 août 2023

Publié: 11 août 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I know the likelihood of something like this to happen is probably zero, but it’s still interesting to see what could be done to make it make sense for both teams

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Lafrenière, Alexis		4	3 750 000 $

Transactions

MTL

Détails additionnels:

Goodrow needs a fresh start and is more a cap casualty in this trade than anything else.
Laffy is still unproven in the NHL but didn’t really have a chance yet also. MTL seems like a better place for him in terms of opportunity. He’s obviously the player with the most untapped potential in this trade, but NYR get good value for him: a potential top4 LHD, a middle 6 winger with top 6 upside, top 6 power forward, a B prospect and a first round pick.
Mackey is basically a throw in to even out contracts and roster spots.

NYR

Anderson, Josh (1 500 000 $ retained)
Harris, Jordan
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël
Ylönen, Jesse
Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (CGY)

Détails additionnels:

Harris: could be a quality top 4 LHD for many years for NYR. He can already earn quality minutes with a reasonable 1.4M$ cap hit. Would be a great insurance policy if NYR can’t re-sign Lindgren.
Harvey-Pinard: 14 G in 34 G last year is definitely not sustainable for him, but it clearly shows he has a lot of upside and will be very affordable for the next two years at 1.1 M$. Middle 6 forward with lots of upside (has always performed when given an opportunity.
Anderson: a true power forward with blazing speed. Can score 20-25 G if used properly and with the retention for 4 years, his cap hit becomes more than reasonable.
Ylonen: could be a wild card in this trade. NYR has very limited depth (both in NHL and in their system in general) at RW.
The first round pick would be conditional: the lowest of their 2 firsts. However, if both firsts picks are in the top 10, it becomes a 2026 unprotected first. If MTL trades one of the two 2025 picks, the other 2025 pick becomes unprotected.

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 833 333 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Joel Edmundson: 1 750 000 $ (50%)
Josh Anderson: 1 500 000 $ (27.27%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	74 032 083 $	1 170 000 $	4 210 000 $	9 467 917 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Caufield, Cole 7 850 000 $7 850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Suzuki, Nick 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ C UFA - 7	Lafrenière, Alexis 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2
Monahan, Sean 1 985 000 $1 985 000 $ (15 000 $$15K) C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Dach, Kirby 3 362 500 $3 362 500 $ C, AD RFA - 3	Slafkovsky, Juraj 950 000 $950 000 $ (3 500 000 $$4M) AD, AG RFA - 2
Goodrow, Barclay 3 641 667 $3 641 667 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 4	Newhook, Alex 2 900 000 $2 900 000 $ C, AG RFA - 4	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Pezzetta, Michael 812 500 $812 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Evans, Jake 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Matheson, Michael 4 875 000 $4 875 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Petry, Jeff 2 343 750 $2 343 750 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Allen, Jake 1 925 000 $1 925 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Guhle, Kaiden 863 333 $863 333 $ (420 000 $$420K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 2	DeSmith, Casey 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ G UFA - 1
Xhekaj, Arber 828 333 $828 333 $ DG/DD RFA - 1	Barron, Justin 925 000 $925 000 $ (275 000 $$275K) DD RFA - 1	Montembeault, Samuel 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Mackey, Connor 775 000 $775 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Kovacevic, Johnathan 766 667 $766 667 $ DD UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
	Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 2	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 3

Équipe de réserve
Reinbacher, David 950 000 $950 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (1 000 000 $$1M) DD RFA - 3
Beck, Owen 885 000 $885 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (80 000 $$80K) C RFA - 3
Mesar, Filip 918 333 $918 333 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD, C RFA - 3

11 août 2023 à 10 h 32

GoofyFoFoofy

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Off the bat this trade won't work cause Goodrow probably has all of Canada on his 15 team NTC.
Let's say he waives though. I don't like this trade from the Rangers' prospective. The value is there but none of the pieces you're sending are exciting. It's just a 1st + a lot of B prospects + a middle 6 forward who I would take Laf over. Rangers are trying to win a cup now and this won't make them better. Laf has been disappointing so far yes, but he's still put up about half a point per game in the NHL and the Rangers still view his ceiling as very high. The prospects you send over don't seem close to that ceiling, most of them maxing out as middle 6 forwards and bottom 4 dmen. Harvey-Pinard is interesting but he's also already 24.

If I were Drury I'd much rather see a trade with one A prospect and a 1st.

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11 août 2023 à 10 h 39

Caufield

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That is a VERY generous offer for Laffy. Don’t know about that one…

11 août 2023 à 10 h 42

V1NnY2

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Quoting: GoofyFoFoofy

The thing I would disagree with what you said is “this trade won’t make them better”.

Anderson is an upgrade over Goodrow
Harris is significantly better than Mackey
Harvey-Pinard produced more than Laffy in limited NHL time (although very unlikely he keeps this pace as I mentioned). Obviously Laffy has more value and upside but you get my point.

From my perspective, NYR get better in the short term with a much deeper lineup (plus add a B prospect in Ylonen and a first that could be top-15).

Adding a top prospect and a first does not help them in the short term so I think the only kind of deal that makes sense for NYR is something like that: quality depth players at very reasonable cap hits (Tampa Bay style trade).

11 août 2023 à 10 h 48

aedoran

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Quoting: GoofyFoFoofy

Is Kenny Holland in NY now? Giving bottom 6 forwards NTCs is his specialty.

11 août 2023 à 11 h 4

Howie

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Quoting: V1NnY2

Firstly Mackie is nyr depth dman not starting so Harris is not really a need.
Next Anderson is overpaid and frankly who will have a better season next year Laffy or Anderson. You mention that Anderson is better than goodrow but that's not the player he's replacing lol.
As mentioned in many agms before and here as well nyr aren't trading Laffy for a return that isn't a homerun of a return and this is more of a ground out.

11 août 2023 à 11 h 15

V1NnY2

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Quoting: Howie

Harris is also an upgrade over Gustafsson and would be a great insurance policy if NYR can’t re-sign Lindgren.

Also, if you say that Anderson doesn’t replace Goodrow, you can’t start making a one vs one comparison with Laffy.
You say Anderson is overpaid but seem to forget I included a 1.5M$ retention so 4M$ for a 20-25G power forward is more than reasonable.

You need to take a step back and look at the trade as a whole. The Rangers would be a better team for the next two years with this package and their time is now, not in five years.

11 août 2023 à 11 h 20

GoofyFoFoofy

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Quoting: V1NnY2

Ok well the Rangers aren't gonna trade for anyone to specifically replace Goodrow. They already have players in the system who can replace him he's just a 4th liner with 3rd liner upside. Like you said Harvey-Pinard is unlikely to keep up his production, he had a good season in the NHL sure but he's also already 24 there's not much room for development at that age. And the rest are B-level prospects.

Lafreniere leaves a much bigger hole in the lineup than Goodrow would, Anderson is not an upgrade over Laf.

Also Mackey is a non-roster player for the Rangers they don't need anyone replacing him.

11 août 2023 à 11 h 22

GoofyFoFoofy

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Quoting: V1NnY2

Harris is not an upgrade over Gustaffson, Gustaffson just had a monster season in Washington where he put up 38 points in 61 games while being good defensively. I view Harris as a about equal to Schneider in skill, and Schneider is younger so there's no reason to put him there.

11 août 2023 à 11 h 25

GoofyFoFoofy

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Quoting: aedoran

Is Kenny Holland in NY now? Giving bottom 6 forwards NTCs is his specialty.

Drury made a lot of mistakes in his first offseason lol. Signed Goodrow to that contract then traded Buchnevich for pennies. He hasn't done anything stupid since then luckily.

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11 août 2023 à 11 h 44

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Goodrow

Quoting: GoofyFoFoofy

Drury made a lot of mistakes in his first offseason lol. Signed Goodrow to that contract then traded Buchnevich for pennies. He hasn't done anything stupid since then luckily.

Nemeth signing, Reaves trade, Harpur Signing, Lesychshyn claim, Kane trade, we can go on... He's been a bottom 10 GM in the league objectively.

11 août 2023 à 11 h 49

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Sagecoll

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Goodrow for Anderson (2m retained) is an interesting idea since they've been comparably valued the last few seasons.

Edge might go to Goodrow for position, but it's close.

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11 août 2023 à 13 h 29

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GoofyFoFoofy

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Quoting: Sagecoll

Goodrow

Nemeth signing, Reaves trade, Harpur Signing, Lesychshyn claim, Kane trade, we can go on... He's been a bottom 10 GM in the league objectively.

Nemeth and Reaves was in that same offseason. Harpur and Lesychyn are non-factor replacement level players that played only like 60 games combined. Kane he got for almost no assets, it turned out badly but that's not a move I blame him for since the price was so low to get Kane. I don't think he's a bottom 10 GM when he had already inherited a tough contract situation and he's consistently found ways to improve our roster even with us being so up against the cap.

11 août 2023 à 13 h 51

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Quoting: GoofyFoFoofy

Harpur and Leschyshyn were both strong negative factors. Kane got moved for a 2nd+. That’s a significant asset. He paid a higher price than he could’ve gotten him for which was absolutely nothing since he refused to play elsewhere.
He did not inherit a tough contract situation at all. He put himself in one.
If the Rangers had Tom Fitzgerald and the Devils had Chris Drury, the Devils would be a lottery team and the Rangers would have a cup and be contenders for more for the next decade.

11 août 2023 à 14 h 7

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GoofyFoFoofy

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Quoting: Sagecoll

How were Harpur and Leschyshyn negative factors lol? They're replacement level players that every team has, them playing 8 minutes a night for like 30 games each isn't gonna change anything. Getting Kane for a 2nd was a good deal, lots of other fans of teams were saying we got a huge bargain when it happened. We also couldn't have gotten Kane for nothing, that's not how this league works. Chicago can always come back and say "yeah we're not trading him at all unless you give us X and X", that's what ended up happening to similar players who forced their way to specific teams like Nash and Hall. He also did not put himself in a tough contract situation, the Goodrow contract definitely didn't help but 3.6m out of 82m isn't much of a factor meanwhile we have Trouba making 8m and Panarin making 11.5 from Gorton's era. Sure the Trocheck and Zibanejad contracts won't age well but they'll be good value for a good 4-5 more years. And the Fox contract is great value.

11 août 2023 à 14 h 23

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Goalie

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Nothing of value here

11 août 2023 à 14 h 33

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Quoting: GoofyFoFoofy

Drury made a lot of mistakes in his first offseason lol. Signed Goodrow to that contract then traded Buchnevich for pennies. He hasn't done anything stupid since then luckily.

I was taking a shot at Holland and I meant no disrespect toward Drury, so I apologize for that.

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