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If a retool is needed

Créé par: Aebexz
Équipe: 2023-24 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 3 août 2023
Publié: 3 août 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
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VAN
  1. Drury, Jack
  2. Jarvis, Seth
  3. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
Détails additionnels:
KK can work as a decent 2c in the retool even though he’s more of a perfect 3c(as of now). Drury has potential and will make Vancouvers young center core stronger
CAR
  1. Boeser, Brock (3 325 000 $ retained)
  2. Pettersson, Elias (3 675 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
You heard it. EP40 has been hinting that he wants to win rather than play for a middle of the pack team out of loyalty to Vancouver.

And Canes fans that think this is too much to give up. It isn’t
2.
VAN
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (OTT)
OTT
  1. Beauvillier, Anthony
Détails additionnels:
Doesn’t need to be Ottawa but could see them do this as a “panic” replacement for Drake Batherson if he gets suspended for the whc drama. There’s no info on who the 5 is but I’ve got the feeling that a lot of fans think it’s him
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3 août 2023 à 18 h 44
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Quoting: mv21227
Calling Pettersson a 2C is laughable. He’s a superstar 1C who easily becomes Carolina’s best player


Comical.

This is a complete outlier season statistically for EP40.
66 points in 71 games
66 points in 68 games
21 points in 26 games
68 points in 80 games
102 points in 80 games.

Let's not forget he had a high PDO, and he had a linemate (Kuzmenko) who was shooting at 27%.

Let's compare this to Aho whose PDO was slightly low.

83 points in 82 games
66 points in 68 games
57 points in 56 games
81 points in 79 games
67 points in 75 games

Aho and EP40 had polar opposite years. EP40 is a fantastic player, but following their career paths to this point, EP40 ain't even the Canes best center...
3 août 2023 à 18 h 44
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Quoting: mv21227
Calling Pettersson a 2C is laughable. He’s a superstar 1C who easily becomes Carolina’s best player


Calling him inferior to Aho is laughable enough
3 août 2023 à 18 h 45
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Comical.

This is a complete outlier season statistically for EP40.
66 points in 71 games
66 points in 68 games
21 points in 26 games
68 points in 80 games
102 points in 80 games.

Let's not forget he had a high PDO, and he had a linemate (Kuzmenko) who was shooting at 27%.

Let's compare this to Aho whose PDO was slightly low.

83 points in 82 games
66 points in 68 games
57 points in 56 games
81 points in 79 games
67 points in 75 games

Aho and EP40 had polar opposite years. EP40 is a fantastic player, but following their career paths to this point, EP40 ain't even the Canes best center...


Pettersson is not a product of Kuzmenko's unsustainably high shooting %, it's the other way around
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3 août 2023 à 18 h 51
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Comical.

This is a complete outlier season statistically for EP40.
66 points in 71 games
66 points in 68 games
21 points in 26 games
68 points in 80 games
102 points in 80 games.

Let's not forget he had a high PDO, and he had a linemate (Kuzmenko) who was shooting at 27%.

Let's compare this to Aho whose PDO was slightly low.

83 points in 82 games
66 points in 68 games
57 points in 56 games
81 points in 79 games
67 points in 75 games

Aho and EP40 had polar opposite years. EP40 is a fantastic player, but following their career paths to this point, EP40 ain't even the Canes best center...


If you actually watched the Canucks, you’d see Pettersson has been this skilled his whole career, he’s just been on a bad team. Year 3 he was injured and year 4 he played with the injury half the season. Post all star break in 21/22 he played at a 50 goal, 100 point pace. You know who else had their breakout season in year 5? MacKinnon. Were you calling that a fluke when it happened?

And for their careers
Pettersson: 323P in 325GP, 0.99 PPG
Aho: 468P in 520GP, 0.9 PPG

Pettersson has a higher PPG and better defensive metrics despite being on a far worse team. So yes Pettersson would be the Canes 1C. Saying Aho is better is homerism at its finest
3 août 2023 à 19 h 0
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Quoting: mv21227
If you actually watched the Canucks, you’d see Pettersson has been this skilled his whole career, he’s just been on a bad team. Year 3 he was injured and year 4 he played with the injury half the season. Post all star break in 21/22 he played at a 50 goal, 100 point pace. You know who else had their breakout season in year 5? MacKinnon. Were you calling that a fluke when it happened?

And for their careers
Pettersson: 323P in 325GP, 0.99 PPG
Aho: 468P in 520GP, 0.9 PPG

Pettersson has a higher PPG and better defensive metrics despite being on a far worse team. So yes Pettersson would be the Canes 1C. Saying Aho is better is homerism at its finest


Since Aho started playing center, his career PPG rate is 3 points under a PPG... Aho's still the better player.

I've watched enough of the Canucks to say that there's a difference between skill and production. Martin Necas is one of the most skilled players in the NHL. He's got a career high of 71 points.

Funny you mention EP's defensive metrics are better. They're not. Aho's are better according to Natural Stat Trick's player comparison with better xGA, better xGF, and better HDGA (high danger goals against) and that applied to medium danger and low danger goals against.

If EP40 does this again, that's one thing. But if he "regresses" to a PPG player... definitely not. Also, second half season point paces matter? Kotkaniemi was on a 60 point pace after Christmas, should I be expecting 60 points from him next year? If Kuzmenko's shooting percentage drops to even 15% (which is a decent way above league average of 12%) EP's going to lose what 20 assists?
3 août 2023 à 19 h 16
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Since Aho started playing center, his career PPG rate is 3 points under a PPG... Aho's still the better player.

I've watched enough of the Canucks to say that there's a difference between skill and production. Martin Necas is one of the most skilled players in the NHL. He's got a career high of 71 points.

Funny you mention EP's defensive metrics are better. They're not. Aho's are better according to Natural Stat Trick's player comparison with better xGA, better xGF, and better HDGA (high danger goals against) and that applied to medium danger and low danger goals against.

If EP40 does this again, that's one thing. But if he "regresses" to a PPG player... definitely not. Also, second half season point paces matter? Kotkaniemi was on a 60 point pace after Christmas, should I be expecting 60 points from him next year? If Kuzmenko's shooting percentage drops to even 15% (which is a decent way above league average of 12%) EP's going to lose what 20 assists?


You can't be serious. None of that even makes sense and don't even have concrete numbers to back those claims up
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3 août 2023 à 19 h 44
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Canucks pass.Peety loves Vancouver and has publicly said he wants to sign long term with the Canucks.These fairytale Peety tradez are redundant.IMHO.
4 août 2023 à 1 h 31
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The trade of Pettersson and Boeser to Carolina is 100% decline.
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4 août 2023 à 2 h 50
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Quoting: remowilliams
Canucks pass.Peety loves Vancouver and has publicly said he wants to sign long term with the Canucks.These fairytale Peety tradez are redundant.IMHO.


He's actually been pretty non-commital quite frankly, he's said he loves the city while also stating that he wants to be playing on a winning team
4 août 2023 à 3 h 35
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Quoting: audiodave
That's certainly possible. I'm just wondering where Aebexz is hearing this rumor that Pettersson wants out.

I haven’t heard rumors that he wants out. But he did say in an interview a few years ago that he wants to win and play for a competitive team. He did it without reassuring it was going to be with the Canucks
4 août 2023 à 4 h 2
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I haven’t heard rumors that he wants out. But he did say in an interview a few years ago that he wants to win and play for a competitive team. He did it without reassuring it was going to be with the Canucks


He was also younger when he made those comments, and was just coming off of his ELC, AND WAS INJURED. Considering the slow start he got off to in the subsequent season, I'd say Pettersson isn't in any position to sulk over the 2021-2022 season ending without playoffs. The 2022-2023 season, I'd say there is more credence to be given to him having a growing sense of impatience, but I still wouldn't let him off the hook completely, because at the end of the day, the top guys have to drive the bus and even if that doesn't always translate to wins, it should at least be enough to not getting their doors blown off every single night
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4 août 2023 à 9 h 46
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
He's actually been pretty non-commital quite frankly, he's said he loves the city while also stating that he wants to be playing on a winning team


He is NOT going anywhere.These Peety trades are fairytales.Not much chance in the real world.
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4 août 2023 à 10 h 42
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I haven’t heard rumors that he wants out. But he did say in an interview a few years ago that he wants to win and play for a competitive team. He did it without reassuring it was going to be with the Canucks


A few years ago in the Benning era.Hes not going anywhere.Just the usual hype from other teams.
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