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Dubas makes his big splash

Créé par: GiggywithGibby
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 3 août 2023
Publié: 3 août 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Forget EK65, throw an elbow and OS Bouchard from the oilers.

Buffalo is close enough to Detroit, it's nearby Montreal where Petry played previously. While Buff fans may think Perry is not a positive value contract, neither is Lybushkin. The gain a few mil in cap, but gain a 2RD for a 3RD.

Rutta lost to Anaheim to get the pick back.

Send it Dubas.
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Choix de 1e ronde en 2024
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Petry is the superior player, and Buffalo has too many 3rd line RD. This gets them a top 4 and pitt out of a bad spot. Contract is short enough not to mess up Buffalos cap forecast
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Need to move salary and get the third back.
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3 août 2023 à 3 h 18
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I would love to get Bouchard honestly, I'm not sure what the latest is on him though. For a period earlier in the summer it sounded like he wouldn't take a bridge deal from Edmonton.

I don't know if Buffalo goes for this... but I do get your reasoning and thought process. I think you'd maybe need to add a pick going to buffalo as well.

I would also buyout Granlund, frees up more space to possibly make another move.
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3 août 2023 à 3 h 22
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You can buy a new Toyota Corolla with that remaining cap space!

I'm surprised no GMs have offer-sheeted Evan Bouchard yet. Is there something I'm missing? Edmonton doesn't have enough cap space to match a solid offer. Even if the offer sheet fails, Edmonton would have to frantically move money and possibly lose a draft pick doing that. Right?
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3 août 2023 à 3 h 22
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As per usual, EDM would simply match that.
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3 août 2023 à 3 h 29
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Quoting: pens1991
I would love to get Bouchard honestly, I'm not sure what the latest is on him though. For a period earlier in the summer it sounded like he wouldn't take a bridge deal from Edmonton.

I don't know if Buffalo goes for this... but I do get your reasoning and thought process. I think you'd maybe need to add a pick going to buffalo as well.

I would also buyout Granlund, frees up more space to possibly make another move.


Honestly, after looking at the advanced stats for Perry and Lyubushkin, I think Buffalo is the one who should be adding a pick. I think it solves an issue for both teams though.

Maybe Granlund needs to be bought out, but do the sum of the additions you can make have a bigger impact than he does?
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3 août 2023 à 3 h 32
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You can buy a new Toyota Corolla with that remaining cap space!

I'm surprised no GMs have offer-sheeted Evan Bouchard yet. Is there something I'm missing? Edmonton doesn't have enough cap space to match a solid offer. Even if the offer sheet fails, Edmonton would have to frantically move money and possibly lose a draft pick doing that. Right?


It's an incendiary move that comes with consequences. That said, other than the guy they just drafted, Pitt really has nothing to loose by trying. Worst case the cripple EDMs depth making them move draft capital and fair value middle lineup pieces in order to clear enough cap.

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As per usual, EDM would simply match that.


5.8 is a pretty stout offer. Matchable, but nothing without a fair bit of pain on EDMs side. How high can EDM realistically go?
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As per usual, EDM would simply match that.


They can't match that without making a move, right?
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3 août 2023 à 3 h 35
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Quoting: SupremeBone
As per usual, EDM would simply match that.


I mean, If I'm offer sheeting him I'm going $6.5-$7M because it puts EDM in a massive bind.

They probably can't move Campbell out to clear space, so then they need to looking at two of Kulak, Ceci, Foegele (one D and Foegele realistically)
3 août 2023 à 3 h 36
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They can't match that without making a move, right?


That's what I'm saying. If I'm a GM I'm putting $6.5M on Bouch, puts EDM in a huge bind.
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3 août 2023 à 3 h 38
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Honestly, after looking at the advanced stats for Perry and Lyubushkin, I think Buffalo is the one who should be adding a pick. I think it solves an issue for both teams though.

Maybe Granlund needs to be bought out, but do the sum of the additions you can make have a bigger impact than he does?


Idk enough on BUFs blue line to truthfully comment but I'll take your word.

It depend on Granlund, I think you and I have discussed the fact that I'd love to get Henrique to fill that 3C role and bump Eller to 4C but maybe they could do something still here.
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That's what I'm saying. If I'm a GM I'm putting $6.5M on Bouch, puts EDM in a huge bind.


Most they should offer is $6.4M on the dot, since going over that means Pittsburgh will lose a 2nd rounder along with the 1st and 3rd. I like the idea, just didn't know what you meant.
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3 août 2023 à 3 h 46
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Most they should offer is $6.4M on the dot, since going over that means Pittsburgh will lose a 2nd rounder along with the 1st and 3rd. I like the idea, just didn't know what you meant.


I hadn't looked at the chart for comp, just was saying a GM could really put EDM in a bind, even if they have to give up the pics they get a great young defenseman.

Definitely doubt Penguins do this, but would be wild lol. Honestly would love to see them offer sheet Laf and take a risk on him improving by playing with Sid or Malkin
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I hadn't looked at the chart for comp, just was saying a GM could really put EDM in a bind, even if they have to give up the pics they get a great young defenseman.

Definitely doubt Penguins do this, but would be wild lol. Honestly would love to see them offer sheet Laf and take a risk on him improving by playing with Sid or Malkin


The penguins should throw an OS. To whom I guess is a matter of taste. I think RHD is the bigger long term need. Petry isn't long for the team even if he stays, and Letang will regress at some point. An heir apparent there seems critical.

Laf is just a winger, maybe one day a good 1LW power forward, but still just a winger. C and RhD are much more difficult to find.
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Quoting: Erikkef
They can't match that without making a move, right?

Quoting: pens1991
I mean, If I'm offer sheeting him I'm going $6.5-$7M because it puts EDM in a massive bind.

They probably can't move Campbell out to clear space, so then they need to looking at two of Kulak, Ceci, Foegele (one D and Foegele realistically)

Yes, exactly like the moves you made in this AGM to facilitate the offersheet. Doesn't seem like you think it'll put PIT in a tough enough spot to not try it so why would it be different for EDM (given the contracts you moved out are arguably less attractive than EDMs)?

As for the reason why, the same reason as every other time: burning bridges and the opportunity cost therein. Whether that's a valid enough reason to not use offersheets is another matter.
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Sabres have ZERO INTEREST in Petry
We keep saying this- over & over & over & over & over
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3 août 2023 à 6 h 45
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And EDM easily match the Bouchard offer
They aren’t gonna let him go
3 août 2023 à 7 h 7
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
Honestly, after looking at the advanced stats for Perry and Lyubushkin, I think Buffalo is the one who should be adding a pick. I think it solves an issue for both teams though.

Maybe Granlund needs to be bought out, but do the sum of the additions you can make have a bigger impact than he does?


Petry is actually owed 1.25m more in Salary than his Cap hit this year. Buffalo isn't the one adding the sweetener
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Sabres have ZERO INTEREST in Petry
We keep saying this- over & over & over & over & over


For the right price I would take him, still a decent player. He's a hitting shot blocking machine who can still play 20min a night. But his contract is horrible this year, so I wouldn't do this deal as is, Pittsburgh would need to add IMO.
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For the right price I would take him, still a decent player. He's a hitting shot blocking machine who can still play 20min a night. But his contract is horrible this year, so I wouldn't do this deal as is, Pittsburgh would need to add IMO.


We already have 9 defensemen, need to get rid of some as is
We can do without bringing in overpaid guys who aren’t good at defense
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We already have 9 defensemen, need to get rid of some as is
We can do without bringing in overpaid guys who aren’t good at defense


Well he's not bad at Defense and he actually helped Pettersson IMO this year.
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3 août 2023 à 7 h 35
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What is with this Lyubushkin - Petry trade obsession
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For the right price I would take him, still a decent player. He's a hitting shot blocking machine who can still play 20min a night. But his contract is horrible this year, so I wouldn't do this deal as is, Pittsburgh would need to add IMO.


$3 mil of the 7.5 this season was signing bonus which would already be paid, so 4.5 real this year, 5 mil real next year.

And as far as rough deals go, have you not seen Ilyas advanced stats? Guys a liability all 200ft of ice playing 3rd pair minutes. As you point out, Petry is still a good defenseman and can play big minutes.
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Well he's not bad at Defense and he actually helped Pettersson IMO this year.


I didn’t say he’s bad at defense, i said he’s “not good”
Yeah, he’s fine i suppose.

But i don’t think he’s a good fit as Power’s partner, i like Clifton much better. And having a guy in the 3rd pair with that Cap hit would be a waste of Cap space imo.
If Adams did have any interest at all, he likely could’ve gotten him pretty cheaply at any point. But instead, he signed 2 other RD on July 1st
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What is with this Lyubushkin - Petry trade obsession


Pretty easy to tell if you read the description.
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$3 mil of the 7.5 this season was signing bonus which would already be paid, so 4.5 real this year, 5 mil real next year.

And as far as rough deals go, have you not seen Ilyas advanced stats? Guys a liability all 200ft of ice playing 3rd pair minutes. As you point out, Petry is still a good defenseman and can play big minutes.


Lyubushkin is also our 7th defenseman
And no, we don’t need an upgrade to our 7th guy
Especially not at Perry’s Cap Hit

There’s just no way it’s happening
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
$3 mil of the 7.5 this season was signing bonus which would already be paid, so 4.5 real this year, 5 mil real next year.

And as far as rough deals go, have you not seen Ilyas advanced stats? Guys a liability all 200ft of ice playing 3rd pair minutes. As you point out, Petry is still a good defenseman and can play big minutes.


Lybushkin played through a Broken foot for 3/4 of the year. And I believe Petry signing bonus is different payout wise or Pittsburgh probably could have moved him already. I could be wrong there though, thought I read September 1st or 15th.
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