His 102 points got his team a winning record. Are you telling me Erik Karlsson doesn’t make his team better because his team is bottom 5? What a terrible argument. You telling me Connor McDavid didn’t make his team better when the Oilers missed the playoffs? What a terrible argument

Ok

Does Nick Suzuki make his team better? I guess not

Connor McDavid in 2018: 108 points
Connor McDavid in 2019: 116 points

both years the Oilers missed the playoffs, does McDavid also not make his teammates better?

What a terrible argument. You said let’s see what people think. Why don’t you make a post and ask?

Karlsson’s team was extremely bad, even if you have the best season by a D ever. Canucks last season were competing. Same thing with Mcdavid when they missed the playoffs. And I think you misunderstood me. I said making his team better in the sense of making his teammates better. He didn’t really do that. Garland and Boeser’s value dropped after this season

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No, in fact, he doesn’t. The only one he helped was Caufield. Just look at our player before and after Montreal

He didn't play with Garland and Boeser? He played with Kuzmenko (who's value shot up), he played with Beauvillier (who started producing way more and value went up), he helped turn Bo Horvat into an elite scorer until he was traded

Finished lower than us last season somehow. Unless I’m missing something, they don’t seem like the most immediate threat

Makes sense Garland and Boeser’s value dropped. Pettersson never played with them. Just goes to show how little about the Canucks you know. Kuzmenko didn’t score 39 goals by himself…. He made every single teammate better when he played with them. The difference with and without Pettersson is astronomical. The Canucks are basically an entirely different team with and without Pettersson. Do better

They were one win apart, both teams do match up pretty evenly too

How many upgrade did they make? Canucks turned OEL, Schenn, Stillman into Hronek, Cole, Soucy. That’s already a huge upgrade on wht was a replacement level defense core

You call Caufield a superstar forward but Boeser a 3rd liner, yet Caufield was on pace for 64 points while Boeser was on pace for 61. And you can’t say it’s because of defense, because Caufield is awful defensively. Caufield is closer to Boeser than he is being a superstar

Matheson and Guhle are high end D, but Cole and Soucy are bottom pair? Guhle has high potential but isn’t high end yet. Matheson had a good season but doesn’t have the track record. Cole was the #3 dman on a contender last season with elite metrics

Dach isn’t a bonafide 2C yet. Could get there but not yet. Suzuki is more of a high end 2C than a high end forward

Anderson sucks. Monahan is injury prone. Newhook struggled last year. None are reliable secondary scoring options, especially compared to the Canucks options

Harris and Barron are solid support pieces on the backend, but Savard sucks. He’s been worse than Myers the last 3 seasons

Dvorak is awful defensively and on the PK. He’s not a reliable PK options. Not sure about the others so won’t comment on them

Allen is a mediocre, overpaid backup option. Primeau is below average. Neither team have a great backup option. Allen is probably the best but doesn’t provide value for how much he’s making

Got Kevin Hayes while avoiding that terrible massive trade with Philly

Also Vrana has looked solid with St Louis

Keep in mind he only played 20 games with them and they did have a winning record when he played

How many points his line mates made?

I still think Vancouver made more meaningful additions. I count OEL buyout as addition by subtraction. He was actively hurting the team. Also a healthy Demko meaning we don’t have to play 2 AHL goalies will definitely help. Added 2 legit top 4 defensemen, a solid #5, a hopefully healthy starter, and PK help.

In the beginning of the season, he wasn’t making his teammates better. He is inconsistent. I remember in the 2020 playoffs, he was really pushing his teammates to new highs. Coincidentally, they made second round. When he decide he wants to be a leader, the Canucks are good. But he seems to not always want that (maybe Miller has something to do with it)

The beginning of the season he wasn’t making his team better? What are you even talking about? What evidence do you have to support this claim? Just because the rest of the team isn’t as good, doesn’t mean Pettersson doesn’t make them better. Pettersson is very consistent. His rookie season until now he has been hovering the point per game mark in his career

St-Louis could be good. Only problem is their entire season depend on the hockey Canada 2018 result. If Kyrou and/or Thomas get a long suspension, they are screwed

Not going to speculate, but Kyrou is crossed off the list because he wasn’t even in town when it occurred

They kept blowing up lead at the beginning. He should have talk to his teammates and help them turn around like a real leader should do (I know Horvat was the C but the superstar has to show leadership in difficult moment). Instead they kept losing, winning only 2 games in 13. That led to Miller screaming at Delia and eventually at Horvat’s trade

Yeah, realistically, he shouldn’t be suspended. The ones that look the most suspicious are Formenton (not signed while he is a good player) and Comtois (still unsigned but have good potential. Plus Anaheim had no reason to release him)

Beniers isn't scoring 90 points next year. Soucy and Cole are NOT bottom pairing defenders, Myers isn't AHL caliber. You only make yourself look like an idiot

Ottawa's defense core is nowhere near best in the league. It's slightly above average at best. Not enough defensive IQ on the back end, but they obviously won't have trouble getting scoring back there