The Capitals aren’t going to do this. Neither Sillinger nor Ceulemans have demonstrated enough at the NHL or minor-pro level for Washington to trade a clear Top 6 Center at the NHL level for them. The value is good and probably a clear win for WSH but the Capitals need a Top 6 C today and Strome is that, Sillinger is not.

Strome is not good enough to be worth that. Jackets laugh at the offer.

What a stupid and uninformed comment. Dylan Strome scored more points last season than Cole Sillinger has in his entire career. Ceulemans hasn’t proven anything at the professional level. You can keep hoping and praying that either ever have the current value of Strome but as of right now Strome has more value than both combined, easily.

Strome has a solid season last year for sure, but Sillinger is only 20 years old and has a higher ceiling than Strome. Strome will unfortunately never live up to the hype of a 3rd overall pick. A really 3C; decent 2C is all Strome is. Sillinger could still get to 1C eventually..... could being the operative word. Which makes him worth more

Strome was inarguably a 2C last season. Sillinger has never been a worthy regular at the NHL level. You believe he has a higher ceiling because he’s your prospect. Sadly for you that time is running out. He’s had plenty of opportunity and has done exactly squat with it. Again Strome scored over 60 PTs last season, what 3C in the NHL scores over 60PTs. Face it, as of today Strome is a guaranteed Top 6 NHL-caliber player. As of today Sillinger is not.

LOL!!

Did you see my name? I am hardly a CBJ homer.... unlike you, who is clearly a WSH homer...

Again, you think that Sillinger has plateaued....at 20 years old? Seriously? Strome is who he is at 26 years old. And a decent 2C/ good 3C is all he will ever be.... but he was drafted to be a 1C...which he is not even close to! Sillinger on the other hand, has the potential.... that is the word "POTENTIAL" to be a1C ...worst case is he is a borderline 2C/3C for his career...which is all that Strome is....and this deal includes Ceulemans and a 3rd.... which is why CBJ would never do this deal

Sillinger has a long way to go to even be a serviceable 3C and possibly a 2C. It’d frankly be shocking if he is ever a 1C.

Strome is a 2C at a minimum based on the past two seasons. Last season it’s arguable he was the Capitals 1C, he significantly outscored every Center on the Bluejackets including Sillinger. Hell, Strome outscored every Center on the Penguins not named Crosby or Malkin. He’s a 2C despite any stupid attempt you’re making to degrade his quality.

It’s patently stupid and ridiculous to suggest that Sillinger has some significant untapped potential but that Strome has plateaued. Strome’s scoring has increased in each of the last three seasons. There is no argument, Strome is a significantly better player than Sillinger today and likely for the foreseeable future.

You're arguing with the reality of player development. Sillinger is a 20 y/o going into his d+3 season. He's probably 2-3 years away from finishing his development. I agree that 1C is likely beyond what is to be expected of him, but to say his time is running out or he lacks potential is silly. You'd have to give up on everyone else from the 2021 draft and earlier that hasn't debuted in the NHL yet or shown significant production if you truly believed that.

Strome has not had any significant statistical difference in his scoring pace since his d+4 season when he had 57 points in 78 games and that was 4 years ago. His development is over and he is who he's going to be. Might he have a statistical outlier of a season here or there between now and when he retires? Sure. Players tend to find chemistry all the time that results in an uptick in production after their development is over. Is he going to reach the echelon of players that call themselves true 1Cs in the league? No, he didn't get there and won't get there.

Who TF are you talking about? The trade proposed was for Dylan Strome who had 65PTs in 81GMs last year which is a significantly higher pace than 57 in 78. What are you talking about?

That's a difference of a 6 point pace. That is not statistically significant at all. In fact, he has lost almost .5 5v5 p/60 from his first season in Chicago. It's fair to say he has regressed since then.

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Quite harsh calling out someone as stupid and worse uninformed on the basis of one column (points) in the stat sheet…for one year. Value goes beyond points, and far beyond statistics. I repeat myself in every forum, but age, term, and cap hit are just as (or even more) integral to the true “value” of a player in a league with a hard cap.

If Strome is indeed so valuable—worth more than a recent top 12 pick, another first round prospect, and an upcoming third, then why didn’t Chicago even give him a qualifying offer just a year’s time ago? And why didn’t the center-desperate Jackets sign him then? Clearly they didn’t think he was even as good of an investment as Erik Gudbranson (another former #3 overall pick).

By he way, Ceulemans has proven exactly as much at the professional level as Connor Bedard. Are you saying you’d turn down an offer of Bedard for Strome?

Comparing Ceulemans to Bedard is about as appropriate as comparing Sillinger to Strome. That is to say that, as of today, both are asinine.

Keep hoping Sillinger becomes even a decent 2C (he’s nowhere near that today) and we’ll keep Strome and let him keep putting up easy and undeniable 2C numbers. You’re just expecting that Sillinger and Ceulemans have no chance of outright busting while Sillinger is already on his way there and plenty of prospects better than both have failed to make an impact at the NHL level historically. The Capitals (and Blue Jackets) need someone that can contribute today. There’s not an argument to be made that Sillinger or Ceulemans are likely to make more of an impact THIS SEASON than Strome. It’s really that simple.

Which means on the Penguins he is a 3C.... my point made, thank you!

And I appreciate you trying to demean everyone on here who is trying to offer a counterpoint. All it does is show how shortsighted your viewpoint is. Try understanding that others have made valuable points. It will serve you better in the long run

I did not make ANY argument about Sillinger. I only pointed out that “value” in a hard cap league goes beyond pure points and even stats. Then subtly pointed out how “asinine” it is (to use your term) to discount all value of a player simply because he is yet to play professionally.

Exactly

What neither of you have done is explain how this trade, which factually involves moving their 2C, helps the Washington Capitals win games THIS SEASON. Because that is all that matters. The Capitals cannot trade a viable Top 6 Center without an immediate replacement while their goal for the season is to compete and get Alex Ovechkin closer to the goal record. I can assure you the Capitals will not make this trade because exchanging Strome for Sillinger and Ceulemans does not help them achieve that goal. Your “points” are not good because they are irrelevant.

cool then keep your 3C and we will keep our prospects. The trade seems bad for both. On pure trade value, im taking the 2 propsect and pick over a 3C. So seems we are both happy with what we have. You want to base vale off of points and i want to include potential, which is what you have to do in trades that involve propsects like this one.

Dylan Strome is not a 3C. Name a single 3C in the NHL last season that scored 65PTs.

Dylan Strome scored more than everyone on the Columbus Blue Jackets other than Johnny Gaudreau including every single Center in the roster. In fact, he outscored every natural Center on the Blue Jackets roster by a minimum of 20PTs but sure, he’s a 3C. What a **** take. On the Columbus Blue Jackets Dylan Strome would be the 1C and 2C.

I dont care if you think hes a 3C or not, we still dont want him and hes still not worth this price. Take that however you want.

Sam Reinhart was arguably the FLA 3C, and registered 67 points...

And CBJ was awful last year because they didn't score enough, so yes, their C's didn't score enough... but they would rather keep what they have over trading for Strome