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Date de création initiale: 15 juill. 2023
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15 juill. 2023 à 14 h 13
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This move does nothing for Buffalo. Gibson's enormous cap hit is an instant turn off for all 32 teams. There are a few GMs that will make that mistake based on his reputation, but I hope that those on this site recognize that he has not been a good goalie in years.
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Terry rejects the contract offer.
15 juill. 2023 à 14 h 19
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Kevyn Adams is a great young igl. He knows what he’s doing and trading for that albatross contract is not something he would do, no matter the cost. His young team is just about to reach playoffs and most of them is beginning or is just about to gain their massive long term contracts. Gibson at that contract will likely stop one guy from signing long term.

For less than 5 and more in the region of 4 millions it’s a deal even if Buffalo would have to add quite a lot for that retention. Buffalo has endless of talent but there’s just that much cap space
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This move does nothing for Buffalo. Gibson's enormous cap hit is an instant turn off for all 32 teams. There are a few GMs that will make that mistake based on his reputation, but I hope that those on this site recognize that he has not been a good goalie in years.


Buffalo has a ton of cap space going forward.

"but I hope that those on this site recognize that he has not been a good goalie in years."

He hasn't been a good goalie on a bad anaheim team. We've seen countless guys look like completely different players on new teams. Like Georgiev & Samsonov this year.
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Kevyn Adams is a great young igl. He knows what he’s doing and trading for that albatross contract is not something he would do, no matter the cost. His young team is just about to reach playoffs and most of them is beginning or is just about to gain their massive long term contracts. Gibson at that contract will likely stop one guy from signing long term.

For less than 5 and more in the region of 4 millions it’s a deal even if Buffalo would have to add quite a lot for that retention. Buffalo has endless of talent but there’s just that much cap space


> Gibson at that contract will likely stop one guy from signing long term.

No. They're pretty good with cap space. Would still have around 30M+ next year even with Gibson + Dahlin/Power extensions. They still have plenty of young guys on ELCs coming up to replace vets like Kulich/Savoie/Benson. It's not an issue.
15 juill. 2023 à 14 h 24
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Terry rejects the contract offer.


How much do you think he's getting lol? This is similar to Bratt's deal. Bratt has also played better than Terry.
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Terry rejects the contract offer.


Wrong

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How much do you think he's getting lol? This is similar to Bratt's deal. Bratt has also played better than Terry.


No it’s a very realistic offer
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15 juill. 2023 à 14 h 38
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> Gibson at that contract will likely stop one guy from signing long term.

No. They're pretty good with cap space. Would still have around 30M+ next year even with Gibson + Dahlin/Power extensions. They still have plenty of young guys on ELCs coming up to replace vets like Kulich/Savoie/Benson. It's not an issue.


Its not the power and dahlin extensions that are the problem, its the 2nd wave. Quinn, Peterka, Mittelstadt, assuming they continue on their current trajectory, are all going to need major raises.

And Ironically nobody has brought up the extension Levi will get if he's any good lol.
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Quoting: DongLord23
Buffalo has a ton of cap space going forward.

"but I hope that those on this site recognize that he has not been a good goalie in years."

He hasn't been a good goalie on a bad anaheim team. We've seen countless guys look like completely different players on new teams. Like Georgiev & Samsonov this year.


Gibson has been worse the last three years, even by metrics that account for team performance, than Georgiev and Samsonov ever were.
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How much do you think he's getting lol? This is similar to Bratt's deal. Bratt has also played better than Terry.

Bratt is one of the top 6 forwards on his team, after Hischier, Hughes and Meier. Terry is the top scorer and best player and eats the most minutes out of any forward in Anaheim. He has shown he deserves more than Zegras as of yet
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Its not the power and dahlin extensions that are the problem, its the 2nd wave. Quinn, Peterka, Mittelstadt, assuming they continue on their current trajectory, are all going to need major raises.

And Ironically nobody has brought up the extension Levi will get if he's any good lol.

Yeah, that’s what everybody seems to forget. Mittelstadt is arguably the most underrated player in the league since the start of last season. Once he gets his big contract it will change of course considering he will get 60 points a season contract
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Yeah, that’s what everybody seems to forget. Mittelstadt is arguably the most underrated player in the league since the start of last season. Once he gets his big contract it will change of course considering he will get 60 points a season contract


Quinn was one of the most important forwards down the stretch as well. These guys arent going to take discounts just because we say so.
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Its not the power and dahlin extensions that are the problem, its the 2nd wave. Quinn, Peterka, Mittelstadt, assuming they continue on their current trajectory, are all going to need major raises.

And Ironically nobody has brought up the extension Levi will get if he's any good lol.


No it's not a problem at all if you look at their cap. There aren't that many roster spots on the team. That's just reality. They aren't going to be paying Mitts a major raise when he's gonna be on the 3rd line. Some of these young guys will get bridges.

Because by the time Levi gets an extension Gibson's contract will almost be up.
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Bratt is one of the top 6 forwards on his team, after Hischier, Hughes and Meier. Terry is the top scorer and best player and eats the most minutes out of any forward in Anaheim. He has shown he deserves more than Zegras as of yet


Terry had 61 points this season. Getting 7.75M is perfectly fair. No clue what you're on about. He's also about to be 26.

Zegras is 22 years old and a center. Terry is a winger.
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No it's not a problem at all if you look at their cap. There aren't that many roster spots on the team. That's just reality. They aren't going to be paying Mitts a major raise when he's gonna be on the 3rd line. Some of these young guys will get bridges.

Because by the time Levi gets an extension Gibson's contract will almost be up.


Lol, Kevyn Adams doesnt do bridge deals. Homie gave Samuelsson a SEVEN year deal before he scored his first NHL goal lol. Mittelstadt had almost 60 pts. Quinn plays top six minutes, so will peterka. Levi Has 2 years left on his ELC, Gibson has what, 4 years left on his contract?
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Lol, Kevyn Adams doesnt do bridge deals. Homie gave Samuelsson a SEVEN year deal before he scored his first NHL goal lol. Mittelstadt had almost 60 pts. Quinn plays top six minutes, so will peterka. Levi Has 2 years left on his ELC, Gibson has what, 4 years left on his contract?


He does do bridge deals lmao. He literally gave Mittelstadt, Jokiharju, and Tage bridge deals.

Again how many roster spots are on this team? If Quinn/Peterka are playing top 6 minutes that means Mitts won't. So a guy not playing top 6 minutes will be getting a major raise? They also have Benson, Savoie, Kulich in the waiting. Those guys need spots. Also will be on ELCs.

Yea and he likely won't be getting a major contract when he's playing 30-40 games a season. That doesn't even make sense.
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He does do bridge deals lmao. He literally gave Mittelstadt, Jokiharju, and Tage bridge deals.

Again how many roster spots are on this team? If Quinn/Peterka are playing top 6 minutes that means Mitts won't. So a guy not playing top 6 minutes will be getting a major raise? They also have Benson, Savoie, Kulich in the waiting. Those guys need spots. Also will be on ELCs.

Yea and he likely won't be getting a major contract when he's playing 30-40 games a season. That doesn't even make sense.


They are totally different team now, anyone who is part of the core doesnt get a bridge deal lol. He literally hasnt done that since the team became competent. Casey put up nearly 60 pts not playing in the top six. Hes not going to take less money just because we say hes a 3rd liner. Theyd have to trade him in that scenario (which they should explore for sure)

Why is Levi only playing 30-40 games? If he's as good as everyone says he is, he will play more than Gibson, a goalie with a sub 900 save percentage? Like I get the gibson idea, its good shelter for him in his rookie year, but beyond that who would you rather invest in, him or Levi? its a no brainer.
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Hilariously this is all moot, 99% sure Gibson wont waive for BUF and the Sabres wont engage.
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They are totally different team now, anyone who is part of the core doesnt get a bridge deal lol. He literally hasnt done that since the team became competent. Casey put up nearly 60 pts not playing in the top six. Hes not going to take less money just because we say hes a 3rd liner. Theyd have to trade him in that scenario (which they should explore for sure)

Why is Levi only playing 30-40 games? If he's as good as everyone says he is, he will play more than Gibson, a goalie with a sub 900 save percentage? Like I get the gibson idea, its good shelter for him in his rookie year, but beyond that who would you rather invest in, him or Levi? its a no brainer.


"anyone who is part of the core doesnt get a bridge deal lol." A 3rd liner is part of the core? Where are you expecting Benson, Savoie, and Kulich to play? You're just not making any sense.

"He literally hasnt done that since the team became competent." He signed his 1C, 2C, and top pair d man & partner to Dahlin to long term deals. That means he's signing everyone to long term deals now?

"Hes not going to take less money just because we say hes a 3rd liner." Where else is he gonna be playing? Are you gonna be giving a major raise to a guy on the 3rd line? You've said like multiple guys will be getting top 6 minutes lmao. You're not gonna have a guy on the 3rd line making 6M. Adams will just trade him if he wants that much.

"Why is Levi only playing 30-40 games?"

Young goalies never play 50+ games their first few seasons. Insane to expect a guy to have that kind of workload at the start.

"Like I get the gibson idea," It doesn't really seem like you do. Rask & Tim Thomas split a lot of time his first few years. It's a good way that Levi doesn't get forced to have an insane workload. They can split the amount of games they play. If Levi struggles he isn't forced to play for the Sabres to have a chance.
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"anyone who is part of the core doesnt get a bridge deal lol." A 3rd liner is part of the core? Where are you expecting Benson, Savoie, and Kulich to play? You're just not making any sense.

"He literally hasnt done that since the team became competent." He signed his 1C, 2C, and top pair d man & partner to Dahlin to long term deals. That means he's signing everyone to long term deals now?

"Hes not going to take less money just because we say hes a 3rd liner." Where else is he gonna be playing? Are you gonna be giving a major raise to a guy on the 3rd line? You've said like multiple guys will be getting top 6 minutes lmao. You're not gonna have a guy on the 3rd line making 6M. Adams will just trade him if he wants that much.

"Why is Levi only playing 30-40 games?"

Young goalies never play 50+ games their first few seasons. Insane to expect a guy to have that kind of workload his first year.

"Like I get the gibson idea," It doesn't really seem like you do. Rask & Tim Thomas split a lot of time his first few years. It's a good way that Levi doesn't get forced to have an insane workload. They can split the amount of games they play. If Levi struggles he isn't forced to play for the Sabres to have a chance.


"A 3rd liner is part of the core? Where are you expecting Benson, Savoie, and Kulich to play? You're just not making any sense." Idk why thats so controversial, good 3rd line forwards are regularly part of teams cores. I expect Benson to take Skinner's spot once age catches up to him. Savoie is a bust. Kulich will likely round out the top 9 taking Greenway's spot.

"He's signed his 1C, 2C, and top pair d man & partner to Dahlin to long term deals. That means he's signing everyone to long term deals now?" Anyone they are fully invested in yeah. Why would he give Samuelsson term but not mittelstadt? Samuelsson's numbers (from a negotiating position) arent even that good. He had no leverage, but Adams was willing to commit anyways. If he likes they player, hell keep him long term. Again, not all that controversial

"Where else is he gonna be playing? Are you gonna be giving a major raise to a guy on the 3rd line? You've said like multiple guys will be getting top 6 minutes lmao. You're not gonna have a guy on the 3rd line making 6M. Adams will just trade him if he wants that much." I actually said Quinn and Peterka, two guys you left out of this convo fyi, will get top six minutes. And again, its not all that uncommon for a 3rd liner teams are high on to get long term commitment. Keep in mind, this is 6 million at a 92 million dollar salary cap.

"Young goalies never play 50+ games their first few seasons. Insane to expect a guy to have that kind of workload his first year." Fully agree, which is why they wont make the playoffs next year.

"It doesn't really seem like you do. Rask & Tim Thomas split a lot of time his first few years. It's a good way that Levi doesn't get forced to have an insane workload. They can split the amount of games they play. If Levi struggles he isn't forced to play for the Sabres to have a chance." No I promise you I understand what you are saying, I just dont agree with any of it lmao nor do I think the Sabres will trade for Gibson. Let's face it, it's trending that way (the Sabres not adding a goalie).
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"A 3rd liner is part of the core? Where are you expecting Benson, Savoie, and Kulich to play? You're just not making any sense." Idk why thats so controversial, good 3rd line forwards are regularly part of teams cores. I expect Benson to take Skinner's spot once age catches up to him. Savoie is a bust. Kulich will likely round out the top 9 taking Greenway's spot.

"He's signed his 1C, 2C, and top pair d man & partner to Dahlin to long term deals. That means he's signing everyone to long term deals now?" Anyone they are fully invested in yeah. Why would he give Samuelsson term but not mittelstadt? Samuelsson's numbers (from a negotiating position) arent even that good. He had no leverage, but Adams was willing to commit anyways. If he likes they player, hell keep him long term. Again, not all that controversial

"Where else is he gonna be playing? Are you gonna be giving a major raise to a guy on the 3rd line? You've said like multiple guys will be getting top 6 minutes lmao. You're not gonna have a guy on the 3rd line making 6M. Adams will just trade him if he wants that much." I actually said Quinn and Peterka, two guys you left out of this convo fyi, will get top six minutes. And again, its not all that uncommon for a 3rd liner teams are high on to get long term commitment. Keep in mind, this is 6 million at a 92 million dollar salary cap.

"Young goalies never play 50+ games their first few seasons. Insane to expect a guy to have that kind of workload his first year." Fully agree, which is why they wont make the playoffs next year.

"It doesn't really seem like you do. Rask & Tim Thomas split a lot of time his first few years. It's a good way that Levi doesn't get forced to have an insane workload. They can split the amount of games they play. If Levi struggles he isn't forced to play for the Sabres to have a chance." No I promise you I understand what you are saying, I just dont agree with any of it lmao nor do I think the Sabres will trade for Gibson. Let's face it, it's trending that way (the Sabres not adding a goalie).


Because your 3rd line / 4th line / bottom pair d men are a revolving door on good teams. The core is your top players. Paying 3rd liners big contracts is how you get in cap hell. That's what Tampa did with Tyler Johnson. They avoided that mistake again and moved JT Miller when they realize they didn't have a spot in the top 6 for him. Adams is smart. He's not going to pay a guy big money to play 15-16 minutes a game.

"Savoie is a bust" Ok thanks for self identifying yourself as clueless. I don't have to waste my time anymore.

"Why would he give Samuelsson term but not mittelstadt?" You literally read out why lmao. He's Dahlin's partner. They envision him being on the top pair with him.

"I actually said Quinn and Peterka, two guys you left out of this convo fyi, will get top six minutes." Yes and Cozens, Tage, Tuch, Skinner who will obviously still be getting top 6 minutes.

"this is 6 million at a 92 million dollar salary cap. " LMAO so Gibson's contract wouldn't be that big of a deal anyways?

"Fully agree, which is why they wont make the playoffs next year." They were a few points away last year. I don't see why they couldn't. Levi just won't be getting an insane amount of games.
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Because your 3rd line / 4th line / bottom pair d men are a revolving door on good teams. The core is your top players. Paying 3rd liners big contracts is how you get in cap hell. That's what Tampa did with Tyler Johnson. They avoided that mistake again and moved JT Miller when they realize they didn't have a spot in the top 6 for him. Adams is smart. He's not going to pay a guy big money to play 15-16 minutes a game.

"Savoie is a bust" Ok thanks for self identifying yourself as clueless. I don't have to waste my time anymore.

"Why would he give Samuelsson term but not mittelstadt?" You literally read out why lmao. He's Dahlin's partner. They envision him being on the top pair with him.

"I actually said Quinn and Peterka, two guys you left out of this convo fyi, will get top six minutes." Yes and Cozens, Tage, Tuch, Skinner who will obviously still be getting top 6 minutes.

"this is 6 million at a 92 million dollar salary cap. " LMAO so Gibson's contract wouldn't be that big of a deal anyways?

"Fully agree, which is why they wont make the playoffs next year." They were a few points away last year. I don't see why they couldn't. Levi just won't be getting an insane amount of games.


Just because I dont agree with your take, doesnt make me clueless. If youre not willing to engage in meaningful discussion you can just say that. You dont have to be rude. Feel free to insult others, or a wall.
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Just because I dont agree with your take, doesnt make me clueless. If youre not willing to engage in meaningful discussion you can just say that. You dont have to be rude. Feel free to insult others, or a wall.


Yes calling a 19 year old a bust who had a phenomenal year makes you clueless. You're just saying things to fit your argument at that point. That isn't meaningful discussion. Really no point in engaging after that.
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Yes calling a 19 year old a bust who had a phenomenal year makes you clueless. You're just saying things to fit your argument at that point. That isn't meaningful discussion. Really no point in engaging after that.


And yet here you are. And phenomenal is a huge stretch. He was left off of team canada, and his primary points per 60 minutes was something like 17th among forwards in their post draft year since 2012, behind guys like Tyler Steenbergen.

He's clearly got NHL upside, hes not going to europe or anything. But hes closer to energy 3rd line guy than bonafide top six forward.
 
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