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Once DeBrincat realizes he needs an offramp and can only get 8 years in Ottawa

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    8 juill. 2023 à 21 h 26
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    I'm so tired of the whole thing, I just want to move on
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    8 juill. 2023 à 22 h 21
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    Or he plays a year and gets 7 at UFA next year. It would be the EXACT same as signing an 8 year deal now.
    8 juill. 2023 à 22 h 31
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    Or he plays a year and gets 7 at UFA next year. It would be the EXACT same as signing an 8 year deal now.


    And when he decides to wait a year to cash out and still can't find a team that will give him max term, he'll be back to square one.
    8 juill. 2023 à 22 h 35
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    And when he decides to wait a year to cash out and still can't find a team that will give him max term, he'll be back to square one.

    Unless he completely craps the bed he will get 7 years from someone.especially if he cares more about term than salary
    8 juill. 2023 à 22 h 38
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    Unless he completely craps the bed he will get 7 years from someone.especially if he cares more about term than salary


    He can't even get 7 years right now.

    It pains Yzerman just to give him 5.
    8 juill. 2023 à 22 h 52
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    He can't even get 7 years right now.

    It pains Yzerman just to give him 5.


    He can’t get 7 years right now from Detroit. There are 30 other teams if he wants 7 years he will get it. It might be with Detroit but he will absolutely get it.
    8 juill. 2023 à 23 h 7
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    He can’t get 7 years right now from Detroit. There are 30 other teams if he wants 7 years he will get it. It might be with Detroit but he will absolutely get it.


    If any of those other 30 teams are willing to give DeBrincat max term, then he would be traded already.

    That's what a sign-and-trade is for.

    But nobody's offering him max term except Ottawa and that's not going to change.
    8 juill. 2023 à 23 h 13
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    If any of those other 30 teams are willing to give DeBrincat max term, then he would be traded already.

    That's what a sign-and-trade is for.

    But nobody's offering him max term except Ottawa and that's not going to change.

    Because he wants to try and get them from teams he wants to go to first. Again if he makes it to UFA where teams don’t have to trade anything for him. Someone is going to give him 7 years. You are completely ignoring the differences in circumstances between now and when he is a UFA
    8 juill. 2023 à 23 h 36
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    Because he wants to try and get them from teams he wants to go to first. Again if he makes it to UFA where teams don’t have to trade anything for him. Someone is going to give him 7 years. You are completely ignoring the differences in circumstances between now and when he is a UFA


    1. And when he tries to get max term from team he wants to go to and fails, he'll be left holding the bag.

    It's exactly what happened with John Klingberg.

    He wanted max-term from any team but Dallas and he never got it.



    2. If a team decides to wait until UFA to sign DeBrincat because they couldn't part with a couple of assets, then that team might miss out on him entirely against 1 of the other 30 teams.

    A sign-and-trade solves that problem.



    3. He might not get 7 years because he first needs to go to a different team to show that he has bounced back.

    That's why nobody except Ottawa is giving him 7 years.

    It's not rocket science.
    9 juill. 2023 à 0 h 9
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    1. And when he tries to get max term from team he wants to go to and fails, he'll be left holding the bag.

    It's exactly what happened with John Klingberg.

    He wanted max-term from any team but Dallas and he never got it.



    2. If a team decides to wait until UFA to sign DeBrincat because they couldn't part with a couple of assets, then that team might miss out on him entirely against 1 of the other 30 teams.

    A sign-and-trade solves that problem.



    3. He might not get 7 years because he first needs to go to a different team to show that he has bounced back.

    That's why nobody except Ottawa is giving him 7 years.

    It's not rocket science.


    you are confusing with what he wants with what other teams want. Sure they could miss out by another team signing him, but the argument is can he get 7 years some where else and the answer is most definitely yes. And klingberg is not a good comparison he was several years older than debrincat is when leaving Dallas. Plays a completely different position and had been steadily declining for several years before hitting FA. And when you’re over 30 you’re likely not getting a 7 year deal. If his priority is 7 years then he will have that option. If his priority is going to a certain team he has the option as well. But none of these options gives Ottawa any leverage if he doesn’t want to sign for 7 years in Ottawa.
    9 juill. 2023 à 9 h 21
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    you are confusing with what he wants with what other teams want. Sure they could miss out by another team signing him, but the argument is can he get 7 years some where else and the answer is most definitely yes. And klingberg is not a good comparison he was several years older than debrincat is when leaving Dallas. Plays a completely different position and had been steadily declining for several years before hitting FA. And when you’re over 30 you’re likely not getting a 7 year deal. If his priority is 7 years then he will have that option. If his priority is going to a certain team he has the option as well. But none of these options gives Ottawa any leverage if he doesn’t want to sign for 7 years in Ottawa.


    1. I am not confusing with what he wants with what other teams want.

    DeBrincat wants to be paid like Timo Meier.

    Other teams want to acquire DeBrincat and pay him at an aav closer to 8 million without giving him max term.

    There's no confusion.




    2. If a team wants to acquire a star player like DeBrincat when he needs an extension, they should be offering max term to get the deal done.

    That isn't happening and if DeBrincat doesn't bounce back, then it won't happen next year either.

    The answer is not definitely yes.




    3. Klingberg is a good comparison.

    He was offered an extension at 7 million x 8 by Dallas when no one else would and he turned it down.

    DeBrincat was offered a long-term extension by Ottawa when no one else would and he turned it down.

    Therein lies the comparison.

    Everything else you mentioned about him is irrelevant.



    4. DeBrincat's priority is a perfect scenario where he goes to a certain team and is paid like Timo Meier.

    As a result, he is way in over his head because that scenario hasn't transpired for him yet.

    Ottawa has leverage over DeBrincat because we hold his rights and we decide which team he is traded to.

    And we also have additional leverage over DeBrincat from the fact that he's not getting max term on an extension from any other team.

    It's not rocket science.
    9 juill. 2023 à 10 h 15
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    He wants Meier 8x 8.8m, teams would obviously rather that crazy amount x7 lol. The bidders are dropping as we speak. Can't wait for Chychrun to move to USA...
     
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