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Absolutely Brutal

Créé par: edeangel84
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 1 juill. 2023
Publié: 1 juill. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Not a good showing at all Kyle. Horrible use of cap space.

And no matter what trade is made this is simply awful cap management.
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $77 685 592 $0 $0 $5 814 408 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
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8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AG, AD
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UFA - 2
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6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, AG
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UFA - 5
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775 000 $775 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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900 000 $900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C, AD
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UFA - 3
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3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
AD, C
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UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DG
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UFA - 6
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6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
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5 375 000 $5 375 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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4 025 175 $4 025 175 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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2 343 750 $2 343 750 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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825 000 $825 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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900 000 $900 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1

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1 juill. 2023 à 16 h 36
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He's the best UFA goalie available. Sometimes you have to play the hand your dealt.

I would've liked less AAV as well - but it's not brutal for a top 8-10 goalie


What top 8-10 goalie?
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Jarry is a top 8-10 goalie in this league


Lol come on now that’s absurd. He’s a bang average goalie and overpaid like Campbell.
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You trade for Vejmelka and you save millions to get the same thing you’ll get from the average goalie you overpaid. It is awful cap management.


He's valuing futures over cap space which is something Pit needs to start doing.
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He's valuing futures over cap space which is something Pit needs to start doing.


Until we trade for EK65 lol.
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Until we trade for EK65 lol.


Not if he can do the deal without futures, Petry, Rutta and DeSmith for Karlsson?
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You trade for Vejmelka and you save millions to get the same thing you’ll get from the average goalie you overpaid. It is awful cap management.


And what's the price tag on Vejmelka? a 1st +? Dubas most likely doesn't want to move assets for a goalie and I don't blame him. Jarry contract isn't as bad as you make it sound.
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Lol come on now that’s absurd. He’s a bang average goalie and overpaid like Campbell.


It's not absurd at all lol. Calling him bang average like Campbell is what's absurd.

Hellebuyck
Saros
Vas
Shesterkin
Oettinger
Ullmark
Sorokin

These are the only goalies you can say without a doubt are better than Jarry
1 juill. 2023 à 16 h 39
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Agreed. I think the defense in front of Jarry was way way more important to correct than the goaltending itself. I mean Jarry was bad last year, but the D was arguably even worse. Not much he can do with guys wide open in front of him. Graves signing is good and will help a ton. Karlsson if we get him will help the transition game significantly. If we can do that plus rebuild 3rd line I'm feeling good.


Yea and I’d be feeling REAL GOOD if that’s what the plan is and that’s what’s executed heading into the season.
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1 juill. 2023 à 16 h 39
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You trade for Vejmelka and you save millions to get the same thing you’ll get from the average goalie you overpaid. It is awful cap management.


Vejmelka isn't even in the same league as Jarry lol. It's not the same thing
1 juill. 2023 à 16 h 40
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Lol come on now that’s absurd. He’s a bang average goalie and overpaid like Campbell.


No, wrong. He’s above average as to why there weren’t much better options on the market other then spending valuable assets which ownership and management have made it apparent that they are trying their best to steer away from.
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What top 8-10 goalie?


Jarry

The goalie market was weak. Have to play the hand your dealt
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And even the 3rd line as of RN I am ok with, Give guys like Nylander, Puustinen and Sam Poulin a shot, Mix and match them with some vets and it could work out well


I think we need to significantly upgrade the 3rd line. We don't have a 3rd line as of now. I agree on giving those guys a shot, I 100% would. But we at least need a new 3rd line center. Cannot be Granlund or Carter. Would like to get one of Gurianov, Fischer, Comtois as well just to add some youth.
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It's not absurd at all lol. Calling him bang average like Campbell is what's absurd.

Hellebuyck
Saros
Vas
Shesterkin
Oettinger
Ullmark
Sorokin

These are the only goalies you can say without a doubt are better than Jarry


Demko
Samsonov
Vejmelka
Knight
Bob
Kuemper

Those I feel are easily better than there is a whole group of likely better but not reliable.
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I think we need to significantly upgrade the 3rd line. We don't have a 3rd line as of now. I agree on giving those guys a shot, I 100% would. But we at least need a new 3rd line center. Cannot be Granlund or Carter. Would like to get one of Gurianov, Fischer, Comtois as well just to add some youth.


Sam Poulin could be the in house Option although it's very risky. I think Dubas moves out Granlund and signs a guy for that role and then have Nylander, Puustinen, Poulin fight for the LW-RW spots in the top 9
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Demko
Samsonov
Vejmelka
Knight
Bob
Kuemper

Those I feel are easily better than there is a whole group of likely better but not reliable.


With all due respect - they aren't. The fact that you said Vej is easily better just ruins all credibility to your comment. Bobrovsky and Knight? C'mon man
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Vejmelka isn't even in the same league as Jarry lol. It's not the same thing


How do we even know that? What opportunities has he had to show himself?
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No, wrong. He’s above average as to why there weren’t much better options on the market other then spending valuable assets which ownership and management have made it apparent that they are trying their best to steer away from.


“Above average” based on one regular season?
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How do we even know that? What opportunities has he had to show himself?


With that logic lets just sign all young UFAs to 1mil contracts and run that team out there. Why would you even trade for Vej then? Let's just sign a guy to league min and throw him in net. Or play Blomqvist
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With that logic lets just sign all young UFAs to 1mil contracts and run that team out there


With goalies that’s basically what I want because unless you have an elite one it doesn’t matter. Save the money and put it elsewhere.
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“Above average” based on one regular season?


Based on 4+ seasons
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“Above average” based on one regular season?


No, based on the last 4 seasons of above average play with a minimum .909 save percentage in his worst of those 4 seasons. When he’s hot, he’s one of the leagues top 10 goalies.
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With goalies that’s basically what I want because unless you have an elite one it doesn’t matter. Save the money and put it elsewhere.


It still matters though lol. And that's fine if that's what you want to do - but Dubas is trying to win.

the 2.5mil difference between Jarry and Vej isn't going to make or break this team
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No, based on the last 4 seasons of above average play with a minimum .909 save percentage in his worst of those 4 seasons. When he’s hot, he’s one of the leagues top 10 goalies.


There is no such thing as “top 10” goalies. There are elites and everyone else. If you don’t have an elite goalie you go cheap and save money.
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It still matters though lol. And that's fine if that's what you want to do - but Dubas is trying to win


And you don’t win with a guy who is a playoff choke artist.
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And you don’t win with a guy who is a playoff choke artist.


You can't call a guy who's played in one postseason a playoff choke artist lol. Imagine if the Pens moved on from MAF, or the Lightning moved on from Vas because they struggled in their first postseason
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