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Créé par: Azura0055

Équipe: 2023-24 Jets de Winnipeg

Date de création initiale: 25 juin 2023

Publié: 25 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Montreal finally realizes that a bag of pucks for a player they want ‘why pay anything, he’s free in 12 month’ isn’t going to cut it. They outbid LA.
Helly gives the Sabres the piece to get them into the playoffs. Levi becomes depth until he takes over from the master.

Schiefele goes to Boston for a goalie and cap relief.

26 gets to pick his team. Thank you for the memories on the ice, and contributions to the community off it.

Pionk fills the second pair top 4 D whole on Detroit for a reasonable cost.

Jets bring in size and veteran presence from the UFA market. ROR is a leader, a potential overpay for a mid-30s player, but the Jets need to fill in two C holes. Gudas is what Stanley will never be.

Raanta gives the Jets a 1A/1B to replace Helly.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

LISTE DE RÉSERVE		ANS	CAP HIT
DiVincentiis, Domenic		3	950 000 $

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Barron, Morgan	2	1 400 000 $
Chisholm, Declan	2	900 000 $
Stenlund, Kevin	1	950 000 $
Samberg, Dylan	2	1 500 000 $
Holm, Arvid	2	825 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Gudas, Radko	3	3 300 000 $
Raanta, Antti	2	3 300 000 $
O'Reilly, Ryan	3	5 000 000 $

Transactions

WPG

Dach, Kirby
Roy, Joshua
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)

MTL

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]

Détails additionnels:

Signs at 8.5 x 8 before the trade

WPG

Mittelstadt, Casey
Savoie, Matthew
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BUF)

BUF

Hellebuyck, Connor

Détails additionnels:

Signs a 7.5x7 extension before the trade

WPG

Sebrango, Donovan
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DET)

DET

Pionk, Neal

WPG

BOS

Scheifele, Mark

WPG

Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (CGY)

FLA

Stanley, Logan [Droits de RFA]

Rachats de contrats

Blake Wheeler: 2 750 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	78 126 191 $	0 $	907 500 $	5 373 809 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Connor, Kyle 7 142 857 $7 142 857 $ AG UFA - 3	Dach, Kirby 3 362 500 $3 362 500 $ C, AD RFA - 3	Niederreiter, Nino 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Perfetti, Cole 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AG, C RFA - 1	O'Reilly, Ryan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C UFA - 4	Ehlers, Nikolaj 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2
DeBrusk, Jake 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Lowry, Adam 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Appleton, Mason 2 166 667 $2 166 667 $ AD UFA - 2
Barron, Morgan 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Mittelstadt, Casey 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG, C RFA - 1	Roy, Joshua 835 000 $835 000 $ (57 500 $$58K) AG, AD RFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Morrissey, Joshua 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 5	DeMelo, Dylan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Ullmark, Linus 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Dillon, Brenden 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Gudas, Radko 3 300 000 $3 300 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Raanta, Antti 3 300 000 $3 300 000 $ G UFA - 1
Samberg, Dylan 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DG RFA - 2	Schmidt, Nate 5 950 000 $5 950 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Chisholm, Declan 900 000 $900 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 1
Stenlund, Kevin 950 000 $950 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
Gustafsson, David 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, C RFA - 1

25 juin 2023 à 11 h 59

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Azura0055

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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great

The funniest part is that Dach probably has better hands.

The ability to stick handle alone on the ice is entertaining, but completely irrelevant in the playoffs.

90% of NHLers under 25 have great hands alone on the ice. How many pair it with size, strength, and decision making.

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 2

#27

VladislavTretiak

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Quoting: Azura0055

On track… maybe…. And I do think PLD has a higher ceiling if he ever figures out his compete issues.

If you think a player has the potential to become what another player already is, that implies risk he won’t. Therefore, to compensate for that risk, you would need to add additional assets as compensation.

If you still have compte issues at age 25 this is not something you can fix

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 3

#28

Azura0055

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Quoting: Caufield

Never said PLD didn't have IQ, actually I even agree with you, he does have good IQ. But my argument is basically that PLDs drive is too low for his offense production to rise, so I rather wait another year or 2 and see Dach become better than PLD, and for probably a cheaper price tag as well.

It is possible that PLD never learns how to compete night in, night out. But somebody is going to pay him 7+M to see if he can.

Dach improved a TON this past year, great growth. Does he have a higher ceiling than PLD, only if you assume PLD won’t play the way he already has for short stretches.

Both players aren’t 90+ Pt C, they are two-way, 60-80pt 1B types. PLD at his floor is a 65+ pt 2C, Dach needs to continue to improve to get there. Will he, probably, but not a guaranteed outcome. He’ll be more expensive than PLD if he reaches his potential, because he’ll sign a 7 year deal with a 90M+ cap, so 8-10 million won’t be unreasonable in 2-3 years time.

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 7

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Caufield

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Quoting: Azura0055

Discussion ends here: PLD is going to LA 90% sure. Your gonna get Villardi+ for him

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 7

#30

Azura0055

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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great

You're making too much sense. Now ignore the hard cap. Then ignore the fact that PLD wants out and the trade still is trolling.

‘Trolling’ this entire site is a troll under a bridge. The reply comments are almost never constructive or insightful. Only biased and negative.

PLD for Dach and a REALLY LATE 1st could work… that would be an interesting discussion. But to call anything in this site a troll, is quite obvious.

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 8

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Azura0055

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Quoting: VladislavTretiak

If you still have compte issues at age 25 this is not something you can fix

That is the risk…. But if he shows up for 20 games in the playoffs… he’s the type of player to help lift trophies.

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 9

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Quoting: Caufield

Discussion ends here: PLD is going to LA 90% sure. Your gonna get Villardi+ for him

I didn’t realize ‘I’ was getting anything… I technically can’t get anything in return for PLD, he doesn’t work for me….but I’ll take Vilardi for my beer league team, I could use some skill to play with!

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 11

#33

VladislavTretiak

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Quoting: Azura0055

That is the risk…. But if he shows up for 20 games in the playoffs… he’s the type of player to help lift trophies.

Drouin 2.0

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 18

#34

Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Azura0055

‘Trolling’ this entire site is a troll under a bridge. The reply comments are almost never constructive or insightful. Only biased and negative.

PLD for Dach and a REALLY LATE 1st could work… that would be an interesting discussion. But to call anything in this site a troll, is quite obvious.

I wont disagree with you there. You need to take this place with a grain of salt. But you clearly have an axe to grind with Habs fans like many do here along with Leafs fans that are also easy targets with a big fan base

The risk is all with Mtl here. PLD is gone so getting anything close to top10 value is a win on Winnipeg when he needs to be paid in his prime and the Jets have lost almost all team control with a year remaining much like the Flames with their assets. The Dach team control over the next 4 years at least is worth a ton more. The 1st is going the wrong way

25 juin 2023 à 12 h 27

#35

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Quoting: Azura0055

Why?

Pionk is worth 1 second. Not 2 plus a likely bottom pair d man

gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.

25 juin 2023 à 13 h 2

#36

Azura0055

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Quoting: AmeriCanadian

Pionk is worth 1 second. Not 2 plus a likely bottom pair d man

Based on which comparable trade?

25 juin 2023 à 14 h 46

#37

AmeriCanadian

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Quoting: Azura0055

Based on which comparable trade?

Durzi yesterday who is younger and on a cheaper contract to begin with. Pionk after last year doesn't have over double that value

25 juin 2023 à 20 h 48

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MoSeider53

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Too bad that PLD is going to LA, Basically a done deal. This crap of Montreal only was a major joke.

Zero chance in hell, That Connor Hellebuyck takes 7 x $7,500,000 in Buffalo when he wants 8 x $9,500,000 and Adams won't pay it.

And Detroit passes, You're not getting multiple 2nds for Neal Pionk.

And Boston can't afford Mark Scheifele even with moving Debrusk and Ullmark. And fat chance that Ullmark even waives for Winnipeg.

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