The Hanifin trade won't include Brodie.

whats your counter?

Naw, Hanifin isn't a 1st better than Brodie

Probably a prospect or something. CGY isn't in a position to acquire a player like TJ Brodie. Based on all reports, they're heading for a full rebuild.

Replace Brodie with a prospect like Voit, Grebyonkin, Minten, etc., and the trade works better for both sides.

a rebuild ? Im not convinced..they have long term contracts like Huberdeau and Naz on the books (just to name prominent ones)..if Markstorm had a on par year they would have been in the playoffs..he should rebound (imo)
i just think they are in a tough position with all those guys apparently wanting out.
new coach will make a huge difference.

Hannifin is a much better skater, much younger (just entering his best years), has more offence in the tool bag
TJ entering twilight years of his career (hes proably worth 2M or less now in terms of value) his foot speed is getting worse (his IQ is top notch though)

Maybe not a full rebuild, but a team that plans on trading a top pairing D, a 1st line centre, a 3rd line centre, and a top 6 winger probably aren't heading in the direction of winning.

My point still stands, though. Keeping Brodie out of the deal works better for both sides. You also won't have to spend 7.5 million dollars between Pacioretty and Klingberg, which would be a horrible decision.

TJ is not worth 2 mil, lol. He's still a premier defensive defenseman in this league.

I'd agree if Hanifin had term. As of now this is a UFA for UFA trade

Those upcoming (posssible) trades arent their preference..the players are moving that needle...give your reasons behind Patch and JK...before you comment I understand Max is injury prone (hence salary reduced) but hes still a force inside when healthy and if he gets injured then he can go to ltir (maybe) and thus no real hgamble..JK is a defensive liability but an ace on the PP (and as the teaam name states, double down in your strengths)...our PP was crap in the PO..and he would be a decent teacher for Timmins (who has similar deficiencies)

and yes I am curious what your thoughts are on this..and how you would correct anything.

did you watch the leafs in the playoffs?
he was consistently out of position, outmuscled and overwhelmed..maybe some of that is due to usage, but foot speed and strength is an issue..I love TJ, but however Noah is just starting to scratch the surface of his potential...hed blossom with the Leafs.

That's not general Brodie. I suspect he was playing with a SERIOUS injury. If Hanafin came with a reasonable extension, sure.

I like Pacioretty as a player but I just wouldn't be comfortable taking the risk of having him at that cap hit. 3 million is worth a lot. And when you consider the fact that you signed him for 2 years as well (which is pretty much a deal breaker), you're now spending 5 million between a washed Pacioretty and Murray's buyout in a season where Matthews and Nylander both need new contracts. Again, there's nothing wrong with him as a player, but I just would not take the gamble at that price or term.

Theoretically, JK wouldn't be a bad addition to the blue line considering our needs. But with the moves you've made, it doesn't make any sense to acquire him. Trading for Hanifin pretty much negates any possible reason why we would want another elusive, puck-moving offensive d-man on our team. Not to mention you're literally pairing him with Morgan Rielly, who might be the only player in the league that's worse on defence than him. Then, once again, there's the contract. It's is just way too much for a player who's play hasn't resembled anything near a top-4 defenceman the past 3 seasons.

Just swap Brodie for one of our better prospects in the Hanifin trade (which makes sense for both teams), and don't sign Klingberg.

Hanifin-Lilly
McCabe-Brodie (shutdown pair)
Rielly-Schenn (was good together in the playoffs)

This is a much better D-core that brings different elements all throughout the lineup.

I also just wanted to add that basing your entire opinion of Brodie on his play in just a handful of games in the playoffs is a foolish way of assessing him (or any player). I could get into a lot of the reasons why he's still a great (frankly, one of the best) defensive-defenceman in the league, but I think you can figure that out on your own.

all good points...funny how so many want to break up the core 4 based on the exact reasoning behind keeping TJ..I concure having a defensive Dman instead of Kilnberg is probably prudent..Im not convinced that Schenn is capable of top pairing duties for a 82 game season...he was playing off adrenaline in PO...I want to keep him (and Gio) but limit their mins significantly

I don't think Rielly-Schenn is a capable top-pair throughout the regular season. That's why I listed them as a third pair. The whole thing with the Leafs defence is that we don't (and likely will never) have a true #1 defenceman. It's pretty much impossible to have a pairing that can play those big minutes in all situations without that guy. Acquiring a guy like Hanifin pretty much allows us to have 3 pairings that would all be good/great 2nd pairings on other teams. It's better than trying to convince yourself Morgan Rielly is a #1 guy and playing him 25 minutes a night.

This is essentially the best way to compensate for not having a #1 D, in my opinion.

The best Leaf team I watched growing up was the Gilmour era...we had 6 solid Dmen...no numero uno..it worked just fine...had a better coach too...and a killer instinct top line center...we gotta resign ROR and see what he can do in 82 (ish) for us.
edit: and a better goalie..Felix...and he came in out of nowhere (sort of) as a rookie to take the job...Woll??? I dont think we should be throwing money at Sammy..only 1 year of decent proven nhl level hockey as a starter..hes very floppy but no Hasek