Mantha, 4th & 5th for Arizona 6th - He needs to go. Simple. Not many teams have the cap and a use for Mantha. However, Mantha might actually be useable in a place like Arizona.
Wilson & 8 OA For Nylander & 25th OA - I will explain the pick sell off later. I feel this would be a win win for both teams. Toronto needs grit, and Washington desperately needs point producing wingers. I do feel that Nylander is the more valuable player here. Wilson gives you the intangibles but the scoring touch of a mid to lower tier 2LW. Nylander is, well, a legit top line point producer and in today's NHL, you want the point producer. It would also be a great way of showing Backstrom how appreciated he is(As Nylander and Nicky are very close).
Kuznetsov for a 2nd, 2nd & 3rd - Chicago is gonna need some established players around Bedard. Youth movements are great, however it can backfire because of many reasons. I could easily see Kuzy in the 2C spot behind Bedard and both working on the PP1. To critique my own trade here, I don't think Kuzy is worth this much(Stupid Contract), so I'm ok with adjusting it as needed.
Oshie & a 2nd for 6th - Its ashame things are this way. :( Oshie can still be productive, however, his age, contract and susceptibility to injuries just destroys his value. Im not sure exactly what team would bite on this, so I just used Seattle as default in this trade. In my mind, Oshie could be useful there.
And now for the "Big One"...
McMichael, 1st, 2nd, 2nd & 3rd for Toews and O'Connor - Hear me out on this. Early in John Carlson's career when he was paired with Karl Alzner, is when Carlson was at his defensive best. The offense has always been there, but when he is paired with a TERRIFIC defense minded LD, the man is a better overall defensemen (Yes, Alzner was GOOD most of his time on the Caps). Pairing Carlson with Toews would be phenomenal. Look how good Toews makes Makar look(lol), but seriously, Toews is SO under appreciated. Colorado isnt going to give him up cheap, but there is a need for them to shed some cap. This would be a way to do that. I figure the trade breaks down as such. McMichael, 1st & 3rd for Toews and a 2nd & 3rd for O'connor. Might still need to add or subtract a little, but this IS close.
Free Agents :
- (RFA) Fehervary 3 x $3.1M : The season before last Fehervary proved that he can be a very solid lock down D-Man. He regressed a little this year, but in all fairness, the entire team regressed. Ive included a lot of 3 year deals. Timing is everything in transitions, and when Ovi rides off into the sunset, flexibility is going to be needed.
- (UFA) Tarasenko 3 x $5.75M : Yes, Vlad is getting older, however he is still really productive and would be a "younger" option than Oshie. His $ value isnt what it once was, so I feel the $5.75M AAV is fair. Would be good to give Ovi a buddy after shipping out Kuzy, and having Vlad around to help in the development of Suzdalev and I.M. could be HUGE.
- (UFA) Bunting 3 x $5.25M : Despite some questionsble decisions, Bunting is a very solid option at 2LW. He has proved that he can be a 50 point producer and is just now coming into his prime. He looses value because of his aforementioned decision making and He isnt going to win a Selke, but can be trusted with 2nd line minutes with confidence.
- (UFA) Nosek 3 x $3M : You know what your gonna get with Nosek. His numbers stay very consistent from year to year, nothing much, but acceptable based on what else he brings to the ice. He wins faceoffs, can be physical and is responsible with the puck. I also think he would gel well with Protas and O'Connor. I would expect a 15 to 20ish percent increase in his numbers as well if put into this situation.
Final Thoughts :
Its obvious that in this scenario, Im going all in on Ovis last few years. Giving up so many picks can be dangerous, however, if you do the math, the average age of this team is about 28. So when Ovi and Nicky retire, it wouldn't be nearly as painful as our current situation. Speaking of Nicky. I was very disappointed with how we handled Holtby. He had a small rough patch and we bailed on him. I feel as if the lack of confidence from the organization played a major role in his regression. The Caps CANT do this same thing to Backstrom. Nicky has always been a warrior. From being criminally under rated in his prime(ONE All Star game...WTF?) to the IIHF stuff to his injuries, he has always been a professional. I have a lot of confidence that he can bounce back this year. Putting him on the first line with Ovi(seriously, never should break these two up) and with his bud Nylander would be amazing to watch.
I don't think the difference is as big as you're making it out to be. You're leaving out that Wilson's elite defensively while Nylander's very much not. At ES their production is closer than it seems. Wilson's was down this year, obviously due to returning mid-year from a torn ACL, but over the four previous seasons he had 1.86 P/60. Nylander over the same span had 2.14 P/60. The thing that really separates them is that Nylander gets first unit PP time with Matthews and Marner, while Wilson gets second unit PP time with a tired Ovechkin who was out with the first unit and Lars Eller. I think Nylander's PP production would crater in Washington because A) it's a significantly worse supporting cast, and B) how do you incorporate a right-shot sniper onto a PP that's already built around getting the puck to a different right-shot sniper? If they keep Forsythe's 1-3-1 set up I don't know where you put Nylander. Even if they move to something else though, how do you design a PP around both Ovie and Nylander? I can't think of a way that wouldn't force one of them to go underutilized. If you keep Wilson though and they stick with something built around the 1-3-1, then he slides right into Oshie's slot in the middle and probably adds 10-15 points a year to his total.
On this current roster, yeah, Nylander wouldn't find a spot on the PP. But with the one I built...he would get plenty of time. Nothing wrong with a right shot on the right side of the PP. People tend to forget that traditional right wingers are right shots. I've never been one to worry about "elite" Defensive forwards not being on the top line. The first line SHOULD be your best point producers. (I have my reasons for putting Backy on the top line, btw). I've also always thought that Wilson's point production limit is about where he is now. Nylander, in a good situation, could easily be a 45+/65+ guy.
Also, the Caps were tight-lipped under McPhee, but MacLellan's a straight shooter. He doesn't dodge questions and he pretty much always does what he says. He just seems tight-lipped because the DC hockey media is non-existent so he never gets any interesting questions. He said he wants Wilson to retire a Cap, Elliotte Friedman got pretty much the same feedback when he probed about the Wilson situation a week or so ago, so the only question for me is how long it takes after July 1 for them to get the Wilson extension finalized.
I never said any of this WAS gonna happen, it's just an idea/concept.
The immediate impact of a trade like this is freeing up cap space and getting draft capital as trade fodder. I do believe I mention that the trade could need to be tweaked. I have a very elevated opinion on Toews. So I understand he wouldn't be cheap.
Avs don't need cap space. Already have $20M and they won't find a top Pairing D or 2C with the futures you sent.
It's kind of weird to me how you're totally willing to overlook Backstrom's massive decline because of his service to the team, but you also want to kick Oshie to the curb. Backstrom's the much, much more dire medical situation IMO. There's no precedent for a guy making a comeback from the surgery he had, and MacLellan seemed extremely pessimistic about Backstrom's chances of improving this summer.
I mean, I'd rather just keep our own 50 point producer with a lot of snarl who's beloved in the organization. As for Tarasenko, I don't think he's a likely hall of famer but I wouldn't mind him. What's his connection to Ovie though, aside from being Russian?
The two of them together seem like a bad fit though because you've already created a top line that needs to be heavily sheltered with an aging Ovechkin, crippled Backstrom, and swapping Wilson for Nylander. Then you've constructed another line here with Bunting-Strome-Tarasenko that's also nothing but offense, and you've run out of cap room so you're left with basically two 4th lines that'll be forced to play a lot of tough minutes because of the makeup of the top 6.
McMichael hasn't been given a shot to be a center at the NHL level, which IMO is a big part of problem - he's a much better fit at center than win. At the AHL level this year he got to play center and definitely outperformed Lapierre. His boxcars won't jump out at you, but the Bears played a very D-focused style and nobody on that team had gaudy point totals. The fact that he was the 2C on a team that won the Calder Cup is enough for me to want him to get a real shot at C in the NHL.
Backstrom is a whole lot more important to the Caps than Oshie. Don't get me wrong, I love Oshie, but in my mind Ovi-Backy are my hockey equivalent of Jordan-Pippen. They are PB+J. You can split em em, but it'll never taste as good as when they are put together...toasted of course 😉
Tarasenko frequently played on a line with Ovi and Malkin in international play. Most Russians in the NHL are close(few exceptions). And it wouldn't just be for Ovi...Suz and IM are gonna need good mentors/examples.
You said it perfectly...A "2C" on an AHL team. Not a good sign that this far into his development that he is only trusted with 2C on the little club. Everyone acts like he is putting up 40/40 in the AHL. VERY Overrated by Caps fans.
Avs don't need cap space. Already have $20M and they won't find a top Pairing D or 2C with the futures you sent.
They may have space, but with 8 UFAs and 3 RFAs that were regularly playing minutes last year, they have a lot of holes to fill. Agreed that the return in my scenario is a bit light for Toews. I had received a suggestion to give less in my first version of this roster. So I went with that for V2.
They may have space, but with 8 UFAs and 3 RFAs that were regularly playing minutes last year, they have a lot of holes to fill. Agreed that the return in my scenario is a bit light for Toews. I had received a suggestion to give less in my first version of this roster. So I went with that for V2.
Sure its a lot of guys to sign. But Byram is the only one that is looking at taking a sizable chunk. Besides Byram, they need a 6th D (2M max, probably someone around 1M), 5 bottom 6 guys, a 2C and 2LW. Newhook and Meyers (3-3.5M combined) takes care of 2 bottom 6 spots. Cogs is likely coming back around 1M. Last 2 bottom 6 spots will be around 2.5M combined.
So we are looking at around 12M to fill 3 spots (Byram, 2C, 2LW). At wing, I'm expecting them to wait out the market and give someone that misses out on the initial FA wave a small 1 year contract - much like they did with ERod last summer. Byram and ROR or a 2C around 5M on the trade market for futures makes the most sense and can fit without trading anyone off the current roster.
The only trade that makes sense from an Avs perspective for Toews to WSH is Kuzy (with retention) and additional assets from WSH. And that would require the Avs to miss out on several other options at 2C first.
On this current roster, yeah, Nylander wouldn't find a spot on the PP. But with the one I built...he would get plenty of time. Nothing wrong with a right shot on the right side of the PP. People tend to forget that traditional right wingers are right shots. I've never been one to worry about "elite" Defensive forwards not being on the top line. The first line SHOULD be your best point producers. (I have my reasons for putting Backy on the top line, btw). I've also always thought that Wilson's point production limit is about where he is now. Nylander, in a good situation, could easily be a 45+/65+ guy.
So playing on a line with Matthews and on a PP with Matthews, Marner, and Tavares isn't a good situation? I think the only better situation he could be in for point production would be playing with McDavid in Edmonton. Joining the Caps would be a massive downgrade in offensive support.
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Backstrom is a whole lot more important to the Caps than Oshie. Don't get me wrong, I love Oshie, but in my mind Ovi-Backy are my hockey equivalent of Jordan-Pippen. They are PB+J. You can split em em, but it'll never taste as good as when they are put together...toasted of course 😉
Tarasenko frequently played on a line with Ovi and Malkin in international play. Most Russians in the NHL are close(few exceptions). And it wouldn't just be for Ovi...Suz and IM are gonna need good mentors/examples.
You said it perfectly...A "2C" on an AHL team. Not a good sign that this far into his development that he is only trusted with 2C on the little club. Everyone acts like he is putting up 40/40 in the AHL. VERY Overrated by Caps fans.
I agree Backstrom's going nowhere, I just think Oshie is gonna be treated pretty much the same way. IMO they're gonna be stapled together on the 3rd line and given sheltered minutes in the hope that they can stay healthy for the playoffs, or in Backstrom's case just not hurt the team as much as he did last season.
That's not really a lot to go on for Tarasenko. Also, Suzdalev was born in Russia but raised and played all his junior hockey in Sweden. He'd probably be looking to Backstrom more as a mentor.
They never posted the lines anywhere, but the team Hershey went up against in the finals had last year's 4th OA pick Shane Wright playing for it, and from what I remember he wasn't on their top line either. AHL teams tend to put vets in those positions.
Literally nobody put up 40/40 in the AHL this year. It's not a high scoring league, particularly for young prospects, with the highest scoring U22 player recording 58 points in 68 games. And even by the standards of that low scoring league, Hershey was a low-scoring team, ranking 7th out of 8 in goals scored in their division.
I'm not saying McMichael's season was spectacular, but I think he's perfectly ready to be a 3C in the NHL and still has room to grow and improve offensively if given the chance to play in a more open system with better wingers.
Bedard is gonna be around drama and drugs no matter what happens. EVERY NHL player is around drama and drugs. Part of being great in the NHL is exhibiting maturity and refrain. Kuzy got caught(ish). MOST drug use just never gets the light shown on it. All sports are this way...just look at Ja Morant right now. It's an inevitable reality that happens when you mix fame, money and influence.
It’s not that simple. Many teams have ushered out players that were bad influences on young players. Bedard will be protected. Chicago will not be signing meatheads.
The immediate impact of a trade like this is freeing up cap space and getting draft capital as trade fodder. I do believe I mention that the trade could need to be tweaked. I have a very elevated opinion on Toews. So I understand he wouldn't be cheap.
If the Avs needed more cap space alone they wouldn’t be trading Toews, there are better options for that. They would rather him walk at free agency next summer than not get equivalent, right-now, value. There are not players on the caps that the Avs can afford in a trade for Toews.
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