I get that Karlsson improves the teams attack from the back end but, the overall team defense gets worse losing Lustorainen and having no money to improve in other spots

Not worth it at all for Florida IMO

Also Edmonton wouldn’t want Montour they already have Bouchard. This is random but I think Dallas would be a great fit if Montour is traded (which I don’t think he will be).

This would be a terrible deal for the panthers, which is pretty on point for Wyshynski.

The “Karlsson is bad at defense” argument is hilarious. Teams don’t want Karlsson for his defense, common sense. They want him as the games premier PP quarterback, top in the league zone entries and setup and zone exits. Teams want him because he alone can change the game. Karlsson is not praised for his defensive game, you pair him with a defensive defender for that reason. Lest I even mention that his defensive game is far from worst in the league. So stop with the mindless “bad at defense” jargon, coaches use him in primarily offensive scenarios as he is ELITE at that. There is no defenseman in the league that can flat out dominate more than him, Makar and mayyybe Fox. Period. And you’re not prying Makar out of Colorado anytime soon.

I mean not to speak for a whole organization but Edmonton 100% accepts the trade without thinking twice about it.

This is all true, but that doesn't change the fact that he's below average (and that's being generous) at defense.

Value wise yeah but is he’s definitely not a good fit and realistically he’s costing more than this

I think he's a fine fit imo. Obviously someone like Pesce would make more sense but adding a puck-mover to a pairing with Nurse allows him to focus on his defensive game. If they gave up fair value for him I really wouldn't mind at all. Sure is a lot better of an idea for the Oilers than the idiots who want them to trade for EK65 lmao.

Some stats for you from this past season. out of 199 qualified defensemen, 300-plus 5-on-5 minutes

Loose puck recoveries (5v5 per 20) 23, 17th among all defensemen.
D-Zone puck recoveries 14.5 (26th in the league)
Blocked passes per 20, 4.67 (16th in the league)
Stretch pass attempts per 20, 4.58 (1st in the league)
Stretch pass completions per 20, 2.95 (4th in the league)

Karlsson led all NHL defensemen with 3.01 successful Open-Ice Dekes Per 20 at 5-on-5

So no one else uses actual stats when saying Karlssons defensive game is bad. They just stick with the usual agenda that some guy had 10 years ago and just assume its still relevant. Ignorance, really. As a Sharks fan I will tell you he is not the best defender in the league, far from it. But he is not nearly as bad as fans present. He makes big money for his offensive contribution so that is his focus but his defensive contribs are highly, highly underrated and unfairly so.

The stats don’t lie. Mindless continuation of some wankers ramblings from years ago certainly can.

They use the eye test to continuously watch Karlsson be out of position defensively and make poor defensive plays.

He's a very talented offensive defenseman, no one is denying that. However, he sacrifices defensive prowess to be that good offensively. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Just don't try to make the case that he's a proficient defenceman. He's not. He's a 4th forward on the ice.

I made a case based off of fact and will keep doing so until someone makes a proper contrasting argument that isn’t “eye test”. Your case is supported by fan OPINION. Mine is supported by fact and stat. I wish people on here knew how to argue like adults. This isn’t case of ME making a case, it is literally numbers and fact based. You are the one presenting “eye test” aka basically conjecture. Learn how to argue correctly if you ever want to be respected.

Fine, if you want to get in a stat argument, you don't get to cherry pick your stats.

Last season, Erik Karlsson was best on the Sharks in on-ice shot attempts against per 60 at 53.85. Guys like Vlasic and Benning were significantly worse at 58.79 and 60.02, respectively. A lot of that has to do with the Sharks not being in the defensive zone as much when Karlsson is on the ice. However, compare that with the high danger chances against per 60. Vlasic and Benning are both significantly better than Karlsson at 2.39 and 2.42 respectively, while Karlsson has a much higher 2.81. So despite not being in his defensive zone as much, the other team gets significantly better scoring chances while Karlsson is out there.

He's also 2nd worst on the team in xGA/60 at 2.89. Only Mario Ferraro was worse at 3.04.

"He has the puck a lot and therefore doesn't need to be good defensively" is a lot different than "he's good defensively."